Originally posted by Prep-Man
The one where Diana is commenting on Cap's "skills". He wasn't even fully in control, IIRC.Don't forget that Billy can also draw upon the Wisdom Of Solomon as well. Along with amping up his stats.
The only fight I can think of off the top of my head is the one where they stalemated, so you're going to have to give me an issue or some scans to jog my memory. And I really don't think his skills are anywhere in the vicinity of WW's.
Yes, and Thor has hundreds of lifetimes of experience. He is a warrior. Born of warrior people. This is what he does. The only edge I'd give Billy is speed, but I don't see him using it to his advantage in a straight up H2H fight.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, I mean on top of his near or equal strength to Thor.
You mean like the time he knocked out Superman? That was magic.
Although I do recall, it being stated, the Power of Zeus can amp his strength, but didn't that power get involved in one of his Superman fights and they were still even? Or not. It's been a while.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean like the time he knocked out Superman? That was magic.Although I do recall, it being stated, the Power of Zeus can amp his strength, but didn't that power get involved in one of his Superman fights and they were still even? Or not. It's been a while.
Superman has said that they were pretty much equals. They've been equals since they first met.
When Cap fought Dreadnought (?), he did amp his stats. This being had some of the JLA's powers at once. Martian Manhunter, Superman, Aquaman, etc...
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Superman has said that they were pretty much equals. They've been equals since they first met.When Cap fought Dreadnought (?), he did amp his stats. This being had some of the JLA's powers at once. Martian Manhunter, Superman, Aquaman, etc...
Captain Marvel is equal to Superman, but that's because of all the numerous godly abilities in him. Only using the strength given to him by Hercules he isn't.
Really? Never heard or read that personally surprisingly, but that's impressive. He had all of their powers, and Captain Marvel was holding his own?
What issue was this? I'm intrigued.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusUm Wonder Woman did the same with Amazo. Is it still impressive?
Captain Marvel is equal to Superman, but that's because of all the numerous godly abilities in him. Only using the strength given to him by Hercules he isn't.Really? Never heard or read that personally surprisingly, but that's impressive. He had all of their powers, and Captain Marvel was holding his own?
What issue was this? I'm intrigued.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain Marvel is equal to Superman, but that's because of all the numerous godly abilities in him. Only using the strength given to him by Hercules he isn't.Really? Never heard or read that personally surprisingly, but that's impressive. He had all of their powers, and Captain Marvel was holding his own?
What issue was this? I'm intrigued.
Yes, I know that. When Superman defeated Cap in armwrestling, Superman beat him only due to Mary borrowing his powers. With it, he stalemated him for 2 hrs.
Cap actually defeated him, until Dreadnaught reverted Cap to Billy, IIRC/
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Um Wonder Woman did the same with Amazo. Is it still impressive?
From what I recall, it's an impressive showing for her speed and reflexes. Outmaneuvering Amazo, blocking the heat vision and Green Lantern blasts etc.
If Billy was actually beating down on this opponent with nothing but raw power, then, that's impressive
And did that Amazo have John's and Aquaman powers? I don't recall them being mentioned but whatever.
Captain Marvel has never had to amp to be equal to Superman in strength. He's that way by default.
I have no problem acknowledging that Thor's base strength could possibly be a bit higher than both, but it won't take much for Marvel to get up to that.
And yeah Prep Man is right, Marvel was beating down Dreadnought with ease and making statements about 'liberally' mixing in Zeus' power or something of the sort before his own power inexplicably started being drained. Which I don't believe should happen given the mystical source of them. I'll try to find the scans.