Pre-Retcon Molecule Man Vs Cosmic Armour Superman

Originally posted by galactusischere
thats what I said.
He was feeding upon all reality.
Hes Nano tech was bigger than cities? not much of a deal really for beings in MM's league.
POST RETCON BEYONDER AND POST RETCON MM's BATTLE WAS WRECKING THE OMNIVERSE. [B]POST
Yes monitors are each more powerful than abstracts for sure and so was MM. If MM wanted he could destroy the multi-verse and the LT with a thought. LT wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing about it.

What Mandrakk was doing so many other beings can do...
AM destroyed an "infinite" amount of universes(u said it urself).
Galactus was feeding on all reality with minor tampering. [/B]

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You give MM waaaayyyy too much credit.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Hes done all of those feats.
you give Mandrakk too much credit(and CA supes I must add).

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mandrakk wasn't just feeding on 52 Universes, he was feeding on everything in the DCU including the AM universe, the Fifth Dimension, Nekron's realm and probably even Vertigo. He was a meta-textual being and the only thing that could stop him was CA Supes. Not the Spectre, not a pissed off Mxy, not Michael or Lucifer, not even the Presence. The first Mandrakk (Dax Novu) was beyond MM. Beyonder may have had a chance since Beyonder's shtick was being more powerful than anything but MM has never impressed me to that level.

I'd point out Michael and Lucifer aren't technically part of main DC continuity anymore, so we can't judge whether or not they would have taken down Mandrakk...

Originally posted by Galan007
that's like asking me what marvel means when they say "infinite multiverse" none..

in short: "eternal power" = "infinite power".

The power gem has infinite power as well but I am not going to argue that a pg user can take on a pre retcon MM.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Galan don't bother. They haven't read FC😖B 1&2
If they did, they would understand what the bleed is, what Mandrakk's smallest machine is capable, they would understand what happened when Quantom Adam tried talking with Mandrakk. They would understand what Mandrakk was eating. They would understand what the monitors can hold, what they are capable of, and what Mandrakk did to them. Though, they don't

Originally posted by galactusischere
thats what I said.
He was feeding upon all reality.
Hes Nano tech was bigger than cities? not much of a deal really for beings in MM's league.
POST RETCON BEYONDER AND POST RETCON MM's BATTLE WAS WRECKING THE OMNIVERSE. [B]POST
Yes monitors are each more powerful than abstracts for sure and so was MM. If MM wanted he could destroy the multi-verse and the LT with a thought. LT wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing about it.

What Mandrakk was doing so many other beings can do...
AM destroyed an "infinite" amount of universes(u said it urself).
Galactus was feeding on all reality with minor tampering. [/B]

Anti Monitor destroyed 1 universe, or a couple at a time. Impressive, but not to Mandrakk.
Galactus feeds on Planets and if he was to be at full power he must feed on eternity, but that one universe and that does not mean he =eternity after he consumes it
MM and Beyonder were destroying the omniverse in a fight, but that means nothing. mandrakk destroyed Reality just by being there. He had DCU Destroyed had it not been for Superman.
You don't understand, that Nano Techonology to Mandrakk is capable to destroying, or eating the universe(something like Galactus). This is how small http://inbt.jhu.edu/documents/inbt-question-and-answers.pdf it is.

Now imagine how big Mandrakk is.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mandrakk wasn't just feeding on 52 Universes, he was feeding on everything in the DCU including the AM universe, the Fifth Dimension, Nekron's realm and probably even Vertigo. He was a meta-textual being and the only thing that could stop him was CA Supes. Not the Spectre, not a pissed off Mxy, not Michael or Lucifer, not even the Presence. The first Mandrakk (Dax Novu) was beyond MM. Beyonder may have had a chance since Beyonder's shtick was being more powerful than anything but MM has never impressed me to that level.

GEB/Presence>LT>Nekron's universe(unless him being a peer to the supreme beings is true)/5th dimension/52 universes/AM universe.
the 5d imps other than Mxy aren't shit to LT. not even Mxy is actually.

Beyonder was the definition of omnipotent in comics back then.
MM was able to go toe-to-toe with him

Originally posted by galactusischere
Again you definately know more about the DCU than me. But how is it that the supreme being couldn't stop Mandrakk?? It was never stated that Presence was powerless against him. Mandrakk was only a small part of the PM, who you even said MIGHT be more powerful than the Presence. [B]MIGHT. Yet ur saying that Mandrakk was definately more powerful than the Presence.
As I've said, there was nothing Mandrakk did that other characters all much weaker than MM or even LT could have done/already did.

LT>Nekron/5th dimension/52 universes/AM universe.
the 5d imps other than Mxy aren't shit to LT. not even Mxy is actually.

Beyonder was the definition of omnipotent in comics back then.
MM was able to go toe-to-toe with him [/B]

PM>Presence. PM didn't created DCU, he just noticed it. Who is in DCU?? Presence!!
Who was eating DCU??? Mandrakk? Who was in DCU? Presence, or all of the above that Vision said. Why do you think Mandrakk said Eternal power for!!!?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
NO!

PM>Presence. PM didn't created DCU, he just noticed it. Who is in DCU?? Presence!!
Who was eating DCU??? Mandrakk? Who was in DCU? Presence, or all of the above that Vision said. Why do you think Mandrakk said Eternal power for!!!?

Originally posted by galactusischere
so what ur saying is that Mandrakk is superior to Presence?

Originally posted by galactusischere
so what ur saying is that Mandrakk is superior to Presence?

He was part of a story, Superman stated it. He was in a story that was trying to kill him, but the "motif", or whatever you want to call it prevent that.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The way it was interpreted, yes

AM was doing the same thing to Presence's reality.
Presence didn't interfere back then did he? if he did the story would be shit as he would easily get rid of him.
same goes for Mandrakk though he was more powerful than AM.
same thing but on a larger scale. a mosquito can suck on your blood and it would annoy/harm you or even kill u if that mosquito is carrying a disease. Does that mean the mosquito is more powerful than u?

Originally posted by galactusischere
AM was doing the same thing to Presence's reality.
Presence didn't interfere back then did he? if he did the story would be shit as he would easily get rid of him.
same goes for Mandrakk though he was more powerful than AM.
same thing but on a larger scale. a mosquito can suck on your blood and it would annoy/harm you or even kill u if that mosquito is carrying a disease. Does that mean the mosquito is more powerful than u?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here's the rough hierarchy: Writers>Meta characters/joke characters>Omnipotents>Everything else.
Mandrakk was a meta-character who had only one superior and that was CA Superman.

double post

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here's the rough hierarchy: Writers>Meta characters/joke characters>Omnipotents>Everything else.
Mandrakk was a meta-character who had only one superior and that was CA Superman.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mandrakk>Presence, there you go

False. That is pure speculation.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The way it was interpreted, yes
Remember, his very presence destroyed realities, he holds the bleed, he can stop time in all universes as easy, his inferiors tanks universal attacks, yet he kills them with a finger

You mean the way YOU interpreted it. There was nothing stated on panel in the arc nor by the writer ever saying such a thing. Stop acting as though this is a fact. Until proven or stated. The Presence at the very least = PM and > Than Mandrakk.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False. That is pure speculation.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So is MM>LT seeing as they never actually fought each other to compare power.

Huge difference here... The LT asks for MM help.. the Presence never asked for CA help against Mandrakk and was never even mentioned in the story. Horrible comparison. People saying that either PM or Mandrakk are above the Presence are doing nothing but speculating. Period.