The Blade of Olympus vs. The Master Sword (actually it's Kratos vs. Link)

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
-Did you not listen/watch/do anything in CoO? If there was one person Kratos did it for, it sure as hell wasn't himself. The REAL fact is that he's not incapable of selfless acts. Your "point" is practically moot .

-Only from himself. From The Colossus of Rhodes and apparently Zeus, he clearly took it on his own.

Considering the fact that Kratos does anything for himself.

When he made Zeus small? That was just PIS. There was no reason for him to go small, and go back big again.

Originally posted by iChaos
There was no reason to kill Helios, but hey, he did it.

Ignore that.

Originally posted by iChaos
Yes he did. He did not care about the gods or anything, he only did it to save himself. When Kratos found out that he would die, along with everyone else, he did it for himself. Like I said, they were "innocents" spirirts. And not to mention that Kratos killed (or rather throwed) the boat captain down the throat of the Hydra, and he pushed him down back into Hades when he was on the edge of that thing.

There was no reason to kill Helios, but hey, he did it.

He did it to save his daughter 😐
And like I said, they were damned either way. Either they'd be destroyed by Persephone's actions, or they'd be destroyed (?) by Kratos' actions.

a) He said it himself, he didn't go there to save the captain.
b) Those two were fighting to get up on the ledge. Kratos won.

Right. Helios would have also rolled over willingly and let Kratos kill Zeus right?

EDIT:

Originally posted by iChaos
Ignore that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'd like to point out even the most evil characters in fiction are often capable of selfless acts. Monolithic evil's an unrealistic concept, and makes characters one dimensional. It's easier to accept characters as human if they act human. Kratos is indeed evil.

And that aforementioned humanity has larger effects on certain aspects or characters than on others. It's one of the driving points in Greek mythology itself, and God of War is not an exception to that. Every character thus far has acted out of something besides intentions of any kind of malevolence or sadism (except maybe Ares who even then was only ever as treacherous as he was out of presumably jealousy). The violence is just a result of that. That doesn't make anyone evil. It's war, and in war, people die. Fact is if there were classifications for anyone in GoW, it'd be Chaotic Neutral for virtually 100% of the major cast, and that's not too far from how it was in actual Greek mythology. Not evil.

Originally posted by iChaos
Yes he did. He did not care about the gods or anything, he only did it to save himself. When Kratos found out that he would die, along with everyone else, he did it for himself. Like I said, they were "innocents" spirirts. And not to mention that Kratos killed (or rather throwed) the boat captain down the throat of the Hydra, and he pushed him down back into Hades when he was on the edge of that thing.

Play the game, because you're just plain wrong here. It was pretty bluntly stated that the character who's life he had in mind was his daughter's, and it doesn't take an idiot to notice that leaving her again killed him on the inside. Hell, beforehand it was also just as bluntly said that being with his family again was "all that he ever wanted".

Originally posted by iChaos
Considering the fact that Kratos does anything for himself.

When he made Zeus small? That was just PIS. There was no reason for him to go small, and go back big again.

Anything for himself. Maybe. Always does things for himself. Nah.
We have the classic captain+key example you brought up earlier. He wanted to save those women.

CIS on Zeus' part, not PIS. He could have ended the fight the first time he got big.
Or he was just weakened from the drain and then recovered most of his energy back during the fight.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He did it to save his daughter 😐
And like I said, they were damned either way. Either they'd be destroyed by Persephone's actions, or they'd be destroyed (?) by Kratos' actions.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just looked at the script, and it seems you were right.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Anything for himself. Maybe. Always does things for himself. Nah.
We have the classic captain+key example you brought up earlier. He wanted to save those women.

CIS on Zeus' part, not PIS. He could have ended the fight the first time he got big.
Or he was just weakened from the drain and then recovered most of his energy back during the fight.

a) He said it himself, he didn't go there to save the captain.
b) Those two were fighting to get up on the ledge. Kratos won.

CIS? He really couldn't have "ended" the fight. Because we saw what happened when he was big.

Maybe? I don't understand how he could get his energy back just by "grabbing" the blade, because otherwise, couldn't Kratos have done the same?

1. So? No. Saving someone has nonething to do with killing someone innocent (unless you're forced to).

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Erase that. He impaled him and kicked him off after. Yup, that's Kratos for ya'.

Ship Captain. "I could help you up, but no, eat a dick"

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Play the game, because you're just plain wrong here. It was pretty bluntly stated that the character who's life he had in mind was his daughter's, and it doesn't take an idiot to notice that leaving her again killed him on the inside. Hell, beforehand it was also just as bluntly said that being with his family again was "all that he ever wanted".

Nevermind, I just looked at the script, and you're right.

Originally posted by iChaos
EDIT: Nevermind, I just looked at the script, and it seems you were right.

CIS? He really couldn't have "ended" the fight. Because we saw what happened when he was big.

Maybe? I don't understand how he could get his energy back just by "grabbing" the blade, because otherwise, couldn't Kratos have done the same?

1. So? No. Saving someone has nonething to do with killing someone innocent (unless you're forced to).

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Erase that. He impaled him and kicked him off after. Yup, that's Kratos for ya'.

Indeed we did; Kratos couldn't counter the Lightning Storm.

It's just a hypothesis. Considering Zeus is pretty much the true wielder of the Blade, he could have. Kratos probably didn't know the Blade even existed until Zeus told him about it.

1. He technically didn't even kill him. He didn't save him either.

~ He is capable of 'evil' acts, I'm not denying that. That by itself doesn't make him evil though. He's capable of 'good' acts as well.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ship Captain. "I could help you up, but no, eat a dick"

Link: I could let my enemies live and just walk away, but no, kiss my ass.

Pointless, but meh.

Captain of the ship was a coward and abandon his men for his own life, regardless which so he isn't innocent himself.

Not helping the man was an evil act, and an intentional one.

Kratos is evil. His evil acts FAR outweigh any good acts, and those are few and far between, if they exist at all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not helping the man was an evil act, and an intentional one.

Kratos is evil. His evil acts FAR outweigh any good acts, and those are few and far between, if they exist at all.

Why help a coward that left his men behind to die so he can do the same to you?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is an 'evil' line of thought.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kratos is evil.

No this is a "how to make sure you won't get betrayed later by the a guy that left his crew for dead" line of thought. plus you failed to answer my question.

Answer: One good act redeems millions of evil ones?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
millions of evil ones?

I lol'd.

Link hasn't killed anyone in canon. He only fights the bosses when they attack, and the ones that aren't totally evil don't die.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cause the captain could do SOOO much to Kratos, right? I lol'd.

Answer: One good act redeems millions of evil ones?

the captain didn't deserve to live if he was planning on ditching his troops like a coward.

Originally posted by Phanteros
You still didn't give a reason why Kratos should save someone like him. GOW morality doesn't follow LOZ morality so applying it is fail in itself seeing as both have their definements on evil.

the captain didn't deserve to live if he was planning on ditching his troops like a coward.