Originally posted by killermover
I know enough to know it sucks. 🙄
If you don't like it, maybe you should leave the thread entirely?
I mean, we know Erza's a pretty flawed individual, and complaining about a protagonist using one type of power which is their thing in a universe where most people use just one type of magic is pretty dumb, and just piping up to say 'FT sucks' occasionally is kinda annoying and you don't seem to actually enjoy it here. So what's the point?
Erza is about as flawed as Kurapika or Sesshomaru.
And Yea the protagonist is one demensional in all aspects and has no motives or intriguing backround. He's just a dumb and brash kid who was raised by a dragon and wants to find daddy.
He rivals Ichigo in being the least interesting main lead in shonen.
But despite all that I said I like other characters, I just don't like the main ones.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, I'm saying I disagree with your assertion that it's likely. I'm not saying that just to be contrary, and I got your point to begin with, but I'm glad you outlined it in more detail because it explains why you think it's that thing.The reason I disagree is because, after all, the reason he had to help them wasn't part of the test. If Zeref here was part of the actual challenge (like if Fairy Tail had a pet monster-guardian that was too strong for any team), then I'd agree with your logic, but he appears to be just an outside X-factor.
Not helping others if something else comes along may be an automatic failure, but I don't think helping teammates is an automatic pass, the intended purpose of this part of the test is unknown because there's no part of the test itself that has required mutual assistance. So far it's just a race/search.
Do you now see my point?
I see your point, sort of.
Not helping others from certain death would be an automatic failure.
Helping out others by perceiving this "new" guy as an instant enemy should certainly be S-Class intuition on top of helping your opposing team-mates from certain death.
2 very good reasons that it is a a sure way into S-Class for Natsu.
On top of that, the second test portion just seems like it's there to see if the other teams will cooperate because of how open it is. An S-Class is a leader: if they organized or lead a search party while sacrificing the chance to find the grave but increasing the chance for someone to pass, that also seems like a more likely way to become S-Class. (no one did that, really...)
My way makes more sense in terms of testing a mage to become a leader in the guild and it happens to fall in line with typical themes from manga, in general.
Also, helping out against Zeref should be an automatic promotion to S-Class, especially because he saved the others from death and also immediately recognized him as immensely evil/powerful.
I'll point out beating Jellal or Nirvana didn't get an automatic S-class either.
On top of that, the second test portion just seems like it's there to see if the other teams will cooperate because of how open it is. An S-Class is a leader: if they organized or lead a search party while sacrificing the chance to find the grave but increasing the chance for someone to pass, that also seems like a more likely way to become S-Class. (no one did that, really...)
Or alternatively, it could have some challenges they just haven't gotten to yet. It really could be a race/search mission, a test of mental skills as much as the first one was about power and physical skills.
If it's a teamwork mission, I expect the objective to be one that somehow incorporates teamwork. All it is, though, is "Get to the grave within 6 hours, where the master is waiting."
As-of yet, there hasn't been anything to indicate number 2 is the 'teamwork mission.'
Hm.... I wonder if three'll be the 'teamwork mission'. Since teamwork is so important to Fairy Tail, I could easily see it being the final objective and test, not the half-way one.
Originally posted by Q99
I'll point out beating Jellal or Nirvana didn't get an automatic S-class either.Or alternatively, it could have some challenges they just haven't gotten to yet. It really could be a race/search mission, a test of mental skills as much as the first one was about power and physical skills.
If it's a teamwork mission, I expect the objective to be one that somehow incorporates teamwork. All it is, though, is "Get to the grave within 6 hours, where the master is waiting."
As-of yet, there hasn't been anything to indicate number 2 is the 'teamwork mission.'
Hm.... I wonder if three'll be the 'teamwork mission'. Since teamwork is so important to Fairy Tail, I could easily see it being the final objective and test, not the half-way one.
Searching for a grave on a mid-sized island does not seem like a test of mental skills, unless it's mental fortitude. That portion of the test, minus Zeref, has been nothing but battle big ass animals on the island. It's closer to finding a needle in a haystack.
This is why it can't possibly he "real" reason for the test.
And, technically, the first test was the "team-work" portion. The second portion COULD be "guild-work".
Also, I thought that the third test would be a sparring match with the master. 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
New chapter's outSpoiler:
Zeref's gone already, huh?And guild war~!
It's just as I suspected: it's a "mental" test on the surface but probably some other sort of test...like actual teamwork among the teams or something.
Gray incorrectly said it was a test about intelligence and greed...so highly unlikely at this point. Lucy may be on to something.
Also, are we supposed to think Lucy is the most intelligent out of the bunch or something? They were all like...on her...waiting for her to figure it out.
I think it's premature to state what the objective is when we don't actually know the challenges involved yet. Though intelligence does seem like it's one component of it at least.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, are we supposed to think Lucy is the most intelligent out of the bunch or something? They were all like...on her...waiting for her to figure it out.
It was just Gray and Loke spying.
Lucy is pretty clever and they probably figured she'd get it sooner, since they both know her.
I bet most of the others wouldn't spy though. Levy can figure on her own, maybe Evergreen can too. Natsu's not one for such methods either.
Originally posted by Q99
I think it's premature to state what the objective is when we don't actually know the challenges involved yet. Though intelligence does seem like it's one component of it at least.
Well, we know from Gray's statement that it definitely incorrect...as it is almost glaringly obvious that he's wrong when he makes a statement like that. It's sort of like a tropes thing.
Originally posted by Q99
It was just Gray and Loke spying.Lucy is pretty clever and they probably figured she'd get it sooner, since they both know her.
I bet most of the others wouldn't spy though. Levy can figure on her own, maybe Evergreen can too. Natsu's not one for such methods either.
It wasn't just Lucy: her partner commented about how Lucy would figure it out, as well. So, it was everyone around her that thought that.
Also, Natsu seems to have figured out shit even more than anyone else, imo.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, we know from Gray's statement that it definitely incorrect...as it is almost glaringly obvious that he's wrong when he makes a statement like that. It's sort of like a tropes thing.
Yea, he is a bit silly there.
"Greed," Gray? Really? 🙂
It wasn't just Lucy: her partner commented about how Lucy would figure it out, as well. So, it was everyone around her that thought that.
Yea, but Cana's no smarter than Gray. Among these four, Lucy's the brainy one.
Her, Levy, and Evergreen are the ones I'd expect to think it through.
Also, Natsu seems to have figured out shit even more than anyone else, imo.
He might not be the smartest but he has pretty good intuition. Assuming he's right at least, which wouldn't surprise me.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, he is a bit silly there."Greed," Gray? Really? 🙂
Yea, but Cana's no smarter than Gray. Among these four, Lucy's the brainy one.
Her, Levy, and Evergreen are the ones I'd expect to think it through.
He might not be the smartest but he has pretty good intuition. Assuming he's right at least, which wouldn't surprise me.
I can't really say that I think Lucy is smart, so, yeah, I agree that those others you mentioned would most likely figure something out, as well. It just do not see Lucy being the brainiac that the others were making her out to be.
So, yeah, we are pretty much the only ones posting on this manga, here.
Originally posted by Q99
Hey, better than no-one.As for Lucy's brains, she's friends with Levy because they both love books, and her fighting does often revolve around picking the right spirit for the job and deciding tactics.
Indeed. It's just that, I thought such a popular manga would garner more attention. It is certainly far better than Naruto and Bleach, right now.
Edit - We are hitting what is, arguably, the climax of the manga with the reveal of Zeref.
Originally posted by dadudemonProblem is, it hasn't really seperated itself from the shounen trinity in terms of impact and concept and really hasn't done anything One Piece or other shounens have done especially One Piece. The battle system is just a watered down version of Naruto's, Hunter x Hunter and One Piece.
Indeed. It's just that, I thought such a popular manga would garner more attention. It is certainly far better than Naruto and Bleach, right now.Edit - We are hitting what is, arguably, the climax of the manga with the reveal of Zeref.
As an anime, it takes stuff from HxH and adds a Rave Master feel to it.
Very drab.