Wolverine and Sabretooth (Adamantium) vs 50 Bruce Waynes (street clothes, no gadgets)

Started by Battlehammer11 pages

Here Wolverine does similar except puts little to no effort into it and these are the danger room's doors.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men12203Strength.jpg

not as damage nearly, but there stronger doors and wolverine putting in little to no effort.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here Wolverine does similar except puts little to no effort into it and these are the danger room's doors.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men12203Strength.jpg

not as damage nearly, but there stronger doors and wolverine putting in little to no effort.

I don't know man, he doesn't really seem like he's pushing the doors apart or breaking an entry. looks like he just disabled the lock and opened the doors. but then again, i haven't read that comics.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know man, he doesn't really seem like he's pushing the doors apart or breaking an entry. looks like he just disabled the lock and opened the doors. but then again, i haven't read that comics.

You can't see him pushing the doors apart and all the cracks in the door from his grip.......

were did you even get disabling the lock?

Lol, you two lovebirds... 😆

I try to make these matches as even as possible. I think people aren't giving Batman enough credit, and that is due to the fact that the more numbers a person faces, the more they tend to job.

Bruce isn't going to pile on like some hand ninja. He *is* capable of hurting Sabes and Logan, as he has hurt dense and durable characters before.

Bruce can occupy (not necessarily beat) Creed and Logan one on one, so having them cooperate and fade in and out should give the duo some trouble. However they can kill Wayne with one *good* hit and take his blows, so they have their work cut out for them.

As far as Logan's strength. Yes he has been listed around 800 before and all of that. But I say that he can do more in times of duress like any person can, but if we use that for him it applies to characters like Spiderman who have done over cl50 feats himself.

My take on the issue.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

As far as Logan's strength. Yes he has been listed around 800 before and all of that. But I say that he can do more in times of duress like any person can, but if we use that for him it applies to characters like Spiderman who have done over cl50 feats himself.

My take on the issue.


Thing is he does well beyond 800 pound feats with ease. He lift and thrown objects that weight thousand plus pounds with one arm. Out side one or two hand books he never been stated that his base strength is 800 pounds. On pannel statements of his strength have been superhuman strength or implied superhuman strength nothingless. He consistently shown to be well beyond this with little effort. This aint something new either, he been doing this since day one, his fifth apearance I belive on the x-men he broke shackles that were suposes to be unbreakable, he in one of his first mini's picked up a tree and used it as a baseball bat. These arnt feats of duress theses arm him when he quite calm. His feats while in durass are quite higher. His base strength level based on consistent shown feats is roughly 2 tons. As is spiderman base level is 10 tons. Thats not to say they can't go beyond it in times of durass.

What I find funny is that people assume Wolverine and sabre-tooth are going to go out in the open and simply brawl with bat squad.

I'm not really arguing the matter, just clarifying my stance. They can both go over their listed amounts. And like you said, Parker did do the tank like it's a toy. Strength isn't Wolverine's primary attribute, so I wouldn't worry about everyone's complete take on it too much.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
What I find funny is that people assume Wolverine and sabre-tooth are going to go out in the open and simply brawl with bat squad.
I was hoping they'd use their environments. But they are all really stealthy anyways.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he pushing the door and crushing them.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here Wolverine does similar except puts little to no effort into it and these are the danger room's doors.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men12203Strength.jpg

not as damage nearly, but there stronger doors and wolverine putting in little to no effort.

facepalm

jeez battlehammer I never thought you'd stoop so low.

First a scan of elevator doors made out of cotton wool.

Followed by a scan of wolverine standing beside an open door.

Honestly. A regular 65 year old woman who exercises regularly can open a closing elevator door. Have you never seen someone put a hand or a foot between the closing doors of an elevator to keep it open for a friend running to join them?

In the Big Cities Elevators And Most Electronic Doors on Subway Cars, Trains and Trams are built with sensors which stop them from closing if an object is between them. They are programmed to slide back when forced

The force needed to open them varies. Sometimes a gentle push does it sometimes its necessary to push them apart with both hands.

Most buildings now have these kind of doors but the sensors detect an object before it reaches the door -most of the time. Sometimes They overheat or jam and have to be pushed gently or with a little force.

The First "scan" is Pure Pis. Metal Doors do not spontaneously contract and warp like that at Room Temperature. Unless they are made out of grease-paper or tinfoil.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I was hoping they'd use their environments. But they are all really stealthy anyways.

Wolverine and Sabre-tooth are down right monsters when it comes to stealth assaults. The differences between them and Batman is they have superhuman senses which makes it quite hard for anyone to ambush them, but they also both consistently shown to be able to ambush individuals with superhuman senses. They also are quite adapted guerrilla warfare using there speed and stealth to ambush there pray. A perfect example is when Wolverine in enemy of the state breaks free of the mind control and goes ape shit killing countless super villains on shield hellicareerer.

Originally posted by shiv
facepalm

jeez battlehammer I never thought you'd stoop so low.

nothing battlehammer does surprises me anymore. sadly. 😬

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here Wolverine does similar except puts little to no effort into it and these are the danger room's doors.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men12203Strength.jpg

not as damage nearly, but there stronger doors and wolverine putting in little to no effort.

I don't think that feat is valid, he sabotaged the controls, Cyke said so himself.

Originally posted by shiv
facepalm

jeez battlehammer I never thought you'd stoop so low.

First a scan of elevator doors made out of cotton wool.

Followed by a scan of wolverine standing beside an open door.

Honestly. A regular 65 year old woman who exercises regularly can open a closing elevator door. Have you never seen someone put a hand or a foot between the closing doors of an elevator to keep it open for a friend running to join them?

In the Big Cities Elevators And Most Electronic Doors on Trains and Trams are built with sensors which stop them from closing if an object is between them. They are programmed to slide back when forced

The force needed to open them varies. Sometimes a gentle push does it sometimes its necessary to push them apart with both hands.

Most buildings now have these kind of doors but the sensors detect an object before it reaches the door -most of the time. Sometimes They overheat or jam and have to be pushed gently or with a little force.

The First "scan" is Pure Pis. Metal Doors do not spontaneously contract and warp like that at Room Temperature. Unless they are made out of grease-paper or tinfoil.

The door wolverine open is not a common elevator door in the second scan, you might want to read the context of it. It the danger room door, wolverine broke in by forcing the door open which is clearly evident if you actaully look at the scan, look at the cracks wolverine caused in the door by forcing it open, as well as the comment colossus made about wolverine not suposes to be coming in. The door was not open before wolverine got there, there was not sensor which open it he force his way in.

You can try and right it off as pis, but it jsut be mroe ignorant comments from yourself. It a comic book they dont alwasy depict event just how they happen in real life. He broke open the door and crushed it with his strength, it happen he has plenty of feats to back it up were he display equal or greater strength.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine and Sabre-tooth are down right monsters when it comes to stealth assaults. The differences between them and Batman is they have superhuman senses which makes it quite hard for anyone to ambush them, but they also both consistently shown to be able to ambush individuals with superhuman senses. They also are quite adapted guerrilla warfare using there speed and stealth to ambush there pray. A perfect example is when Wolverine in enemy of the state breaks free of the mind control and goes ape shit killing countless super villains on shield hellicareerer.
True but Batman has used stealth against foes with enhanced senses. He doesn't have his armor which puts him at a disadvantage, but there are 50 of them, so it doesn't matter much. There will be Waynes everywhere like a bad "where's Waldo" comic.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't think that feat is valid, he sabotaged the controls, Cyke said so himself.

The only thing sabotaged was what colossus, was pushing against, but if you have evidence of cyckes saying wolverine sabotaged to the door please post it.

To be honest I only posted that feat becuase it was similar in nature and showed the difference between a calm and angry wolverine. However it is a very low end feat regardless.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
True but Batman has used stealth against foes with enhanced senses. He doesn't have his armor which puts him at a disadvantage, but there are 50 of them, so it doesn't matter much. There will be Waynes everywhere like a bad "where's Waldo" comic.

thats not gunna be overly helpful having them everywhere, just makes it easier for them to get picked off. Batman has likely snuck up on foes who have superhuman senses I have no doubt, but I doubt it anywhere near as consistent as wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The only thing sabotaged was what colossus, was pushing against, but if you have evidence of cyckes saying wolverine sabotaged to the door please post it.

To be honest I only posted that feat becuase it was similar in nature and showed the difference between a calm and angry wolverine. However it is a very low end feat regardless.

It says he sabotaged the controls in the panel. He didn't do it in that scene at all, from what it looks like he did it before hand.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats not gunna be overly helpful having them everywhere, just makes it easier for them to get picked off. Batman has likely snuck up on foes who have superhuman senses I have no doubt, but I doubt it anywhere near as consistent as wolverine.
I'm willing to argue that Batman utilizes his stealth more often because he *has* to. And if you really want to use examples, he has done it on Superman who has senses 1,000,000 better than Creed and Logan combined.

Wolverine and Creed aren't going to pick off Batman one by one in those settings. They might get a few, but there would be so many to capitalize on that opening.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

It says he sabotaged the controls in the panel. He didn't do it in that scene at all, from what it looks like he did it before hand.


Yea like I said to the device to that was pushing againt colossus, never said anything about the door wolverine used to get in. If anything by making the control not worked just further emphasizes the fact he broke in, not that the fact he pushing open the door and partly crushing it does not imply this already.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm willing to argue that Batman utilizes his stealth more often because he *has* to. And if you really want to use examples, he has done it on Superman who has senses 1,000,000 better than Creed and Logan combined.

Wolverine and Creed aren't going to pick off Batman one by one in those settings. They might get a few, but there would be so many to capitalize on that opening.


but there also ignored quite often. I really think sneaking up on DD is more impressive. Wolverine snuck up on gladeator who can hear and see things galexy a way lol, but the fact is Gladeator and Superman senses are ignore by writers quite often. People like DD, feral ect. who sense are primary part of there character to be is more impressive to sneak up on, the writers don't forget that posses this ability. Batman really does not utilize his stealth more nor to the extent wolverine does so consistently. Not sure why people always forget this, but stealth is one of wolverine primary abilities and is displayed often and very consistently.

200 villains were unable to capitalize in vastly smaller space vs wolverine. Thats just one amoung many feats. an entire woods is a large place, it be pritty easy to killing a few run off with there superior speed and do it again.