Wolverine and Sabretooth (Adamantium) vs 50 Bruce Waynes (street clothes, no gadgets)

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but there also ignored quite often. I really think sneaking up on DD is more impressive. Wolverine snuck up on gladeator who can hear and see things galexy a way lol, but the fact is Gladeator and Superman senses are ignore by writers quite often. People like DD, feral ect. who sense are primary part of there character to be is more impressive to sneak up on, the writers don't forget that posses this ability. Batman really does not utilize his stealth more nor to the extent wolverine does so consistently. Not sure why people always forget this, but stealth is one of wolverine primary abilities and is displayed often and very consistently.

200 villains were unable to capitalize in vastly smaller space vs wolverine. Thats just one amoung many feats. an entire woods is a large place, it be pritty easy to killing a few run off with there superior speed and do it again.

Those "opponents" aren't Batman who is a stealth master himself, Killer Croc has great senses as well, many of his foes do. He could kill a few that way but in no way is he doing them all. They are faster than him but not that much faster.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea like I said to the device to that was pushing againt colossus, never said anything about the door wolverine used to get in. If anything by making the control not worked just further emphasizes the fact he broke in, not that the fact he pushing open the door and partly crushing it does not imply this already.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It says the device is at full power and that Logan sabotaged the controls, where did he sabotage the door? When did he do it?

He sabotaged the device that was pushing on colossus.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Those examples are extreme true, but it shows he has done it.

Those "opponents" aren't Batman who is a stealth master himself, Killer Croc has great senses as well, many of his foes do. He could kill a few that way but in no way is he doing them all. They are faster than him but not that much faster.

Seanking up on DD, feral others ect. are in my opinion more impressive, becuase it more realistic there powers arnt ignore by writers. It just all around better, but hey thats just me.

when ahs it ever been stated crock has superhuman hearing? his sense of smell is good true, but not closes to wolverines, also he kinda an idiot. True, but they were all superhuman which is more then batman can say.

They could kill more then a few. Even if they got notice, are we to assume all the batmans are near eachother? seems unlikely in such large scenerio's. They are quite a bit faster both are superhuman and running speed would be quite a bit higher, if they ran in a dirrection batman would have no chance to keep pace, sabre-tooth has run down cars on foot alone.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thats what I am saying he did not sabotage the door, he broke in which is evident on the scan, were he shown pushing it open and it cracking.

He sabotaged the device that was pushing on colossus.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes, but how much stock does one put in it when that power is consistently ignore by writers? also would it not simply be pis?

Seanking up on DD, feral others ect. are in my opinion more impressive, becuase it more realistic there powers arnt ignore by writers. It just all around better, but hey thats just me.

when ahs it ever been stated crock has superhuman hearing? his sense of smell is good true, but not closes to wolverines, also he kinda an idiot. True, but they were all superhuman which is more then batman can say.

They could kill more then a few. Even if they got notice, are we to assume all the batmans are near eachother? seems unlikely in such large scenerio's. They are quite a bit faster both are superhuman and running speed would be quite a bit higher, if they ran in a dirrection batman would have no chance to keep pace, sabre-tooth has run down cars on foot alone.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I thought we already had this debate about peak speed vs super speed? When all of these characters do "similar feats" they are equally fast, but now since they are listed as superhuman speed (which I haven't seen Logan listed as), they are much faster. Why does this apply for some instances but not others, I'm confused, no offense.

because going by showings wolverine speed feats>>batmans.

Originally posted by carver9
because going by showings wolverine speed feats>>batmans.

They've all "dodged bullets and lasers" after all, so explain to me how this logic works. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You sure about that?

They've all "dodged bullets and lasers" after all, so explain to me how this logic works. 😕

I want you to show me one speed feat that makes you think batman is even close to wolverines level of speed besides dodging bullets.

I can post all day on wolverines speed feat, show me something about batman that puts him anywhere on wolvies level of speed.

Actually I'd like to see *your* side my friend. I've had this argument before with *another* hero. I actually believe that Wolverine is a bit faster than Bruce and that true super speed characters are faster than Logan.

But if the best thing they have done is dodge "bullets and lasers" (sound and light speed), then that would make them pretty close to the same speed according to that logic no? Why would we not include bullet dodging? Because we realize how bad that logic is now?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I thought we already had this debate about peak speed vs super speed? When all of these characters do "similar feats" they are equally fast, but now since they are listed as superhuman speed (which I haven't seen Logan listed as), they are much faster. Why does this apply for some instances but not others, I'm confused, no offense.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol I meant the thing that is crushing Colossus, not the door, my bad.

Yea the think crushing colossus wolverine ****ed with so colossus would stop holding back.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually I'd like to see *your* side my friend. I've had this argument before with *another* hero. I actually believe that Wolverine is a bit faster than Bruce and that true super speed characters are faster than Logan.

But if the best thing they have done is dodge "bullets and lasers" (sound and light speed), then that would make them pretty close to the same speed according to that logic no? Why would we not include bullet dodging? Because we realize how bad that logic is now?

I never used bullet dodging as a scenerio stating that one character is faster than the other but I'll post 2 scans for you and I want you to show me something similar.

True speed characters? Wolverine is a true speedster, just like spiderman and Sabertooth. If a guy can punch you at least 6 times before you react then thats true speed.

I'll be back.

Originally posted by carver9
I never used bullet dodging as a scenerio stating that one character is faster than the other but I'll post 2 scans for you and I want you to show me something similar.

True speed characters? Wolverine is a true speedster, just like spiderman and Sabertooth. If a guy can punch you at least 6 times before you react then thats true speed.

I'll be back.

I see what you meant BH, but I'm about to leave so give me some time to post...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually they have humans doing such feats as well.

I see what you meant BH, but I'm about to leave so give me some time to post...

No worries. I got papers to write any ways and need to stop procrastinating

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually they have humans doing such feats as well. True speed characters are like Flash IMO, in the end of the day. But I meant Super speed and not enhanced speed.

I see what you meant BH, but I'm about to leave so give me some time to post...

Keeping up with speed demon (and when I say keep up, I mean he really keeps up with him combat wise).

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

Wolverine and Sabes moving almost faster than the speed of thought from a "A" grade telepath.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Hand speed

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After Images

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Hand speed again

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7452/uxm178pg03lowresym9.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Keeping up with speed demon (and when I say keep up, I mean he really keeps up with him combat wise).

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That fails he isn't really keeping up with him he even says it he figures out where he pops up next.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
That fails he isn't really keeping up with him he even says it he figures out where he pops up next.

He is when you take that scan literally at the art.

Not trying to defend that feat, just saying. People do that all the time here.

BTW, in that X-Force annual Wolverine ripped guy's head off and accidentally killed an agent with a single blow while holding back.

Just because he was bitchin' about how heavy that general was after he used his body to pwn the whole team of hydra agents means very little.

Originally posted by Blanket
Just one Bruce is needed

Well he has his shoes and socks here, so I guess you're right 😂