Sadam Yat and Classic Infinity Man vs. Thor and Silver Surfer

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most of the gl's are cannon fodder anyways, but I think Hal definitely outshines him. This has nothing to do with Thor who absolutely smokes him.

His fight with Nero proved that. Not only did ION convert all the Nero's energy, but he overloaded him. He then used that converted energy to beat him easily

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They have more showings. By the statement, and the powers they possess, yat as ION> an GL

His fight with Nero proved that. Not only did ION convert all the Nero's energy, but he overloaded him. He then used that converted energy to beat him easily

Ion is a joke up to this point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which has nothing to do with Hal. Let's talk about Ion getting taken prisoner by Mongul.

Ion is a joke up to this point.

Ion just converts all of Kyle Energy into ION's

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LFMAO, keep trying to lowball a character fact is
ION defeated the same guy Kyle was about to lose to, or almost lose to.

Ion just converts all of Kyle Energy into ION's

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's Kyle. He's seen better days and Hal is the greatest gl. You are referring to one feat which has nothing to do with Hal or the characters involved in this thread. You get lost in a debate and are trying to debate with me over things I never once stated or even hinted at.

But unfortunately for you, you can't seem to not post, or stop trying to find an argument

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LFMAO, you jumped in the debated. I had a debate with jasofisc. If you don't have nothing to add to the debate, shut you mouth.

But unfortunately for you, you can't seem to not post, or stop trying to find an argument

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LFMAO, you jumped in the debated. I had a debate with jasofisc. If you don't have nothing to add to the debate, shut you mouth.

But unfortunately for you, you can't seem to not post, or stop trying to find an argument

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is Ion hasn't proven himself. He had one good showing against Nero. That's it. Nothing to suggest he can take on either Thor or Norrin. My point was obvious yet you missed it and went on to start a mini debate against Kyle.

LOL, JLKing just got owned. 😂

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Not DOTNG Infinity Man. He was far more powerful than Classic.

if you have proof to the contrary, please post it. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
infinity man = infinity man. there are not different versions of him.

if you have proof to the contrary, please post it. 🙂

Originally posted by Zeuodin
You mean besides the fact that DS used to match or exceed IM? And in DOTNG he was going to be killed by him. IM was more powerful than Takion who had HF's staff as well as his own powers. If IM never changed, That would mean DS never did either. And DS was shown to match or exceed him in previous encounters.

for instance: in their most recent *direct* encounter (superman confidential) IM easily blocked the omega beams as though it were nothing. he was clearly shown to be superior.

furthermore, there were absolutely no references to IM having been 'amped' during DotNG. thus assuming he was 'amped', simply because you disagree with the characters he so easily owned is... fallacious, to say the least.

Originally posted by Galan007
darkseid used to match and exceed almost any character(s) in DC - but that was decades ago. things have significantly changed since then.

for instance: in their most recent *direct* encounter (superman confidential) IM easily blocked the omega beams as though it were nothing. he was clearly shown to be superior.

furthermore, there were absolutely no references to IM having been 'amped' during DotNG. thus assuming he was 'amped', simply because you disagree with the characters he so easily owned is... fallacious, to say the least.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
There are no references to DS being depowered. The only references are that every time he loses,it's an avatar. So unless it's shown, then your example would fit for DS too. Also, Superman Confidential was years ago. Like when Superman first met DS. Many times after that, IM was easily held, bfr'd, even seperated by DS.

but does any of the above really matter? nah. if you disagree with a darkseid loss, you'll simply cry "avatar", even if the story itself never once alluded to avatar-usage. lol, this crap nvr ceases to amaze me.
facepalm

superman confidential = a far more recent telling of superman's first encounter with the new gods. thus the showings from said comics should be taken as the more canonical evidence. that again is an unarguable fact to any logical person.

what this ultimately boils down to is the fact that absolutely no power-ups were ever mentioned (or so much as hinted at) where IM is concerned. you can try to argue this fact by bringing up decades-old showings all you want, but the point still remains.

Originally posted by Galan007
what this ultimately boils down to is the fact that absolutely no power-ups were ever mentioned (or so much as hinted at) where IM is concerned. you can try to debate this unarguable fact by bringing up decades-old showings all you want - but the point still remains.

Hm,
I also seemed to remember that an amp was mentioned. I just have an hardcover Book called "The Death of the New Gods". I don't know if more such arcs existed but anyway.

Here are the amp scans, they aren't very good but my scanner is not the best and i can't rip the pages off 😛.

"This is where the Change in our Foe occured"

2nd

"My readings show he received a massive infusion of celestial energy at this point. But from whom? or what?""

"Stranger still is the fact that this infusion was delivered to him along a temporal path. His enchanced powers were gifted to him from somwhere in the distant past."

"The identity of the god-killer's benefactor needs be ascertained"

Originally posted by Galan007
i never said darkseid was depowered - just that he's most certainly been portrayed differently (in a weaker sense) over the years. that much is an unarguable fact to any logical person.

but does any of the above really matter? nah. if you disagree with a darkseid loss, you'll simply cry "avatar", even if the story itself never once alluded to avatar-usage. lol, this crap [b]nvr ceases to amaze me.
facepalm

superman confidential = a far more recent telling of superman's first encounter with the new gods. thus the showings from said comics should be taken as the more canonical evidence. that again is an unarguable fact to any logical person.

what this ultimately boils down to is the fact that absolutely no power-ups were ever mentioned (or so much as hinted at) where IM is concerned. you can try to argue this fact by bringing up decades-old showings all you want, but the point still remains. [/B]

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
2nd

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, it's not. Prime easily decimated a guy who people could argue is just as good as Hal, if not a little worse.

Even in TOTGLC 01 Ion, Kyle admits that Yat is the most powerful GL because of his ION+Dax power. His fight with Nero pretty much proved that

isn't that the same one where kyle was holding back to give yat a chance against nero? also he was talking about ion's ablity to use nero's constructs against him.

Originally posted by iceman24567
The fact is Yat sucked at using his abilities 😬

my point exactly but as soon as anyone makes a true statement about a dc character that isn't favorble the dc fanboys come out of the woodwork

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
"His enchanced powers were gifted to him from somewhere in the distant past."