Sadam Yat and Classic Infinity Man vs. Thor and Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thanks. I guess I was right. As always. 🙂

No one is always right 😉. Except me 😐

I just though you were treated unfairly.

And Galan seems to be a nice guy, normally.
We should stick together, we are the last line of defense against the Marvel biased meance! 😆

Am i going to far? 😇

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LFMAO, keep trying to lowball a character fact is
ION defeated the same guy Kyle was about to lose to, or almost lose to.

Ion just converts all of Kyle Energy into ION's

almost lost to are you joking or are you purposfully trying to miss lead. Kyle was holding back a lot. both yat and kyle stated this

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Except we do know there was a power up. The Source was using the IM as his agent. never before has that happened so the circumstances around the IM changed.

and acting as the source's direct agent, doesn't imply a power-up in the slightest.

Originally posted by Galan007
in one of IM's very first showings, darkseid revealed the he = the source. that's his history.

and acting as the source's direct agent, doesn't imply a power-up in the slightest.

Originally posted by Galan007
key point of that comment, don't you think?

Yes but not in the context you implied, IMO. The source was "hiding" in the past, Metron followed it there. They can go through the time. The source empowered IM in the Bleed, temporarly, but it still resides in the past. As i understood it anyway it doesn't mean that IM was empowered longt time ago, he was empowered by someone from the distant past.

I can post the scans where metron confronts the source (in the ice age) and asks if it is "currently involved in the destruction of the new gods"

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No one is always right 😉. Except me 😐

I just though you were treated unfairly.

And Galan seems to be a nice guy, normally.
We should stick together, we are the last line of defense against the Marvel biased meance! 😆

Am i going to far? 😇

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually you are right. The Marvel Bias thing is crazy around here. People are saying things like Spider Man is faster than Cheetah. Thor is Stronger than Superman. They have Surfer beating DS. Just crazy stuff.

you mean like batman is faster than spiderman, superman would be unaffected by odin and would ***** slap thanos, yeah totaly a marvel bias ..... sure

Originally posted by jasofisc
you mean like batman is faster than spiderman, superman would be unaffected by odin and would ***** slap thanos, yeah totaly a marvel bias ..... sure

by the way infinity man would rip the hearts out of thor and surfer on his own. my only point in this is that yat sucks he's hasn't beat anyone on his own and he should have the power of a skyfather

Originally posted by jasofisc
you mean like batman is faster than spiderman, superman would be unaffected by odin and would ***** slap thanos, yeah totaly a marvel bias ..... sure

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I haven't seen any such stuff. And I certainly haven't made any comments or posts like that.

not you others.... that wasn't ment as a personal attack on you

Originally posted by iceman24567
I see bias on both sides nothing different than the norm 😬

true

Originally posted by Zeuodin
It's already been posted. The IM had a power up just like I said he did. And in two different scans no less.

Originally posted by Galan007
in one of IM's very first showings, darkseid revealed the he = the source. that's his history.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I can post the scans where metron confronts the source (in the ice age) and asks if it is "currently involved in the destruction of the new gods"

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is Ion hasn't proven himself. He had one good showing against Nero. That's it. Nothing to suggest he can take on either Thor or Norrin. My point was obvious yet you missed it and went on to start a mini debate against Kyle.

If you go buy feats, Superman>>>>>>>>>>>anyone on his peer list. That includes CM, BA, WW, and many other

It is when the characters themselves match up against each other and put in the same situation that truly shows how good they are.

What is more IDIOTIC of you is to have the audacity to change the subject and act as if it was where you were arguing the entire time. You act as if you are smart. You are an idiot. You join an argument talking about how Ion is the worst Gl, and YOU EVEN STATE that THOR has nothing to do with you argument. A post later you change it saying that it has to do with Thor. LFMAO, you can't even stick to one subject, or debate. All you idiotic post consist of you changing you stance in an attempt to look like you have some logic, or common sense. If you can't bother to stay in one argument, then DON't replay and the world will love you for it. This forum doesn't need an idiot.

As proof, I state that ION is still better then most GLs

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Still better then the other GL 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most of the gl's are cannon fodder anyways, but I think Hal definitely outshines him. This has nothing to do with Thor who absolutely smokes him.

Then you switch your stance by saying saying it has nothing to do with Hal, EVEN THOUGH the debate is if ION Yat is better then Hal, Kyle, or other GL

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which has nothing to do with Hal. Let's talk about Ion getting taken prisoner by Mongul.

Ion is a joke up to this point.

Then you shift your idiocy to another matter saying and bringing THOR AND NORRIN into the argument when originally you said they have nothing to do with this,

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is Ion hasn't proven himself. He had one good showing against Nero. That's it. Nothing to suggest he can take on either Thor or Norrin. My point was obvious yet you missed it and went on to start a mini debate against Kyle.

So please stay in subject. We are debating whether or not ION is stronger then other GL.

Originally posted by Galan007
the fact that metron stated the 'amp' happened in the "distant past" is further solidification.

of course the source was involved in said destruction. it planned the whole thing after all.

You don't like to be wrong and you certainly are to stubborn to accept it. So more power to you 😉.
Though, when IM was always as powerful, why even mention the "Change" and "massive infusion of celestial energy"?

Nevermind 😉

Originally posted by jasofisc
isn't that the same one where kyle was holding back to give yat a chance against nero? also he was talking about ion's ablity to use nero's constructs against him.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Where was that stated?

same comic when yat was talking to kyle after nero was defeated. Yat says something to the effect like ..... he sure got his hands around your neck easy and kyle is like i don't know what your talking about

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LFMAO
Yeah, having Kryptonian power, and the unlimited energies of ION isn't enough to take on Thor, or SS
By feats themselves, ION was able to convert someone else's energy into his own. That alone makes him a much better GL then the rest.
By feats, his was able to tank Heat Vision from PRime where characters like GL, Hal, Guy, Superman so many others could not.
By feats, Yat was able to take on Prime where characters like other GL may not.

If you go buy feats, Superman>>>>>>>>>>>anyone on his peer list. That includes CM, BA, WW, and many other

It is when the characters themselves match up against each other and put in the same situation that truly shows how good they are.

What is more IDIOTIC of you is to have the audacity to change the subject and act as if it was where you were arguing the entire time. You act as if you are smart. You are an idiot. You join an argument talking about how Ion is the worst Gl, and YOU EVEN STATE that THOR has nothing to do with you argument. A post later you change it saying that it has to do with Thor. LFMAO, you can't even stick to one subject, or debate. All you idiotic post consist of you changing you stance in an attempt to look like you have some logic, or common sense. If you can't bother to stay in one argument, then DON't replay and the world will love you for it. This forum doesn't need an idiot.

As proof, I state that ION is still better then most GLs

then you counter it by saying and STATING THAT THOR IS [b]NOT in the debate with this post

Then you switch your stance by saying saying it has nothing to do with Hal, EVEN THOUGH the debate is if ION Yat is better then Hal, Kyle, or other GL

Then you shift your idiocy to another matter saying and bringing THOR AND NORRIN into the argument when originally you said they have nothing to do with this,

So please stay in subject. We are debating whether or not ION is stronger then other GL. [/B]

Superboy also took on Prime and scarred him for life. By that reasoning Superboy someone becomes more formidable than both Superman and Hal Jordan. Your logic is elementary, narrow minded, and ignorant.

Feats don't determine these matchups. Never have and never will. Yat was defeated by Mongul. Yat was spanked by Prime. It was one sided and was a complete owning. That you'd argue that based on this Yat some how becomes more formidable than Superman based on one hv blast while Superman was trying to talk sense into Prime and change him for the better is beyond me.

Your rant is laughable. Yat has another power source different than the regular gl's. What happened to Kyle when he was tapped into the Ion energies, genius? Was he being taken hostage by Mongul? Nope. Even with this uber source he hasn't done anything overtly impressive. Your case rests on Nero. If you think that blows away the rest of this thread or the best of the gl's I suggest you read comics and quit posting until you do so.

Kyle's best, Hal's best are both better than what we have seen from Yat. It's not even close. To make matters worse you are using ownings of Yat is proof of his awesomeness. I can't even believe I am reading most of your posts. It's unheard of to use a stomping by another character as proof of Yat's uberness.

Yat is incompetent and is linked with a great power source he has since proven himself to be a joke considering what we have seen the Ion force capable of in the past. I can see why you like him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In theory he should be able to, but based on his showings he most certainly wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell against either marvel character. The word marvel goes hand in hand with you along with ignorance. You don't have a clue and think since you read a few gl comics you can base an entire argument around that.

Superboy also took on Prime and scarred him for life. By that reasoning Superboy someone becomes more formidable than both Superman and Hal Jordan. Your logic is elementary, narrow minded, and ignorant.

Feats don't determine these matchups. Never have and never will. Yat was defeated by Mongul. Yat was spanked by Prime. It was one sided and was a complete owning. That you'd argue that based on this Yat some how becomes more formidable than Superman based on one hv blast while Superman was trying to talk sense into Prime and change him for the better is beyond me.

Your rant is laughable. Yat has another power source different than the regular gl's. What happened to Kyle when he was tapped into the Ion energies, genius? Was he being taken hostage by Mongul? Nope. Even with this uber source he hasn't done anything overtly impressive. Your case rests on Nero. If you think that blows away the rest of this thread or the best of the gl's I suggest you read comics and quit posting until you do so.

Kyle's best, Hal's best are both better than what we have seen from Yat. It's not even close. To make matters worse you are using ownings of Yat is proof of his awesomeness. I can't even believe I am reading most of your posts. It's unheard of to use a stomping by another character as proof of Yat's uberness.

Yat is incompetent and is linked with a great power source he has since proven himself to be a joke considering what we have seen the Ion force capable of in the past. I can see why you like him.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. In your mind, your favorite character and company determine these match ups. To everyone else, feats do determine the match ups.