Re: Re: Thor vs Orion in strict skilled H2H combat.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^What does Orion have on Thor?No motherbox? That means Orion turns into a raging beast doesn't it?
Either way that would favor Thor as I understand it, as Thor would have a clear head and would be able to use his skills effectively (Unless Orion can use his skills just as well when he goes mad like he does without the Motherbox keeping the rage he inherited from Darkseid in check.), and if Thor resorts into a berserker state as well, eventually he'd hit the Madness, and get a 10 times amp in strength.
If Thor goes punch for punch, Orion's brutality and madness would give him the advantage. Eventually though Thor would hit that state of mind as well.
Not really. Simonson's run pretty much did away with that.
Originally posted by Juntai
Just like when he fights Hulk or other raging monsters!
Hulk is actually a perfect example for my point. Thor stated he keeps himself in check against the Hulk. Even when he gets into the fight he keeps himself in check reflecting on how pointless their fights are.
The one time Thor let himself loose (The part with Thor's losing/gaining his powers.), he enters Warrior Madness near the end. Of course he and Hulk were going toe to toe for over an hour.
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
A clear head and strategy goes out the window. Case in point...In Orion #5 before the big brawl....DS points to Orion to remove his MB for the fight. DS was expecting to control and exploit the rage of Orion. Then Orion abides and it backfire on DS side.I'm not taking anything away from Thor nor do I doubt his powers. But an enrage Orion is nothing like an enrage Hulk. Orion is a complete power level here...
So he loses a clear head and all strategy? That would work for Thor then, as if he engages him in a similar state, the chances are that Thor will enter Warrior Madness jump up greatly, and that isn't good for Orion. Thor could also use his clear head to take advantage over Orion's enraged state.
What? Are you saying an enraged Orion is on a completely different level than an enraged Hulk in a brawl? Really?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Enraged Orion doesn't mean Savage Hulk. He's still in control and highly intelligent in battle.
Really? I thought he loses control. I remember that wasn't the case in a battle once, but I thought that was the consistent portrayal of him. Even when he had the Motherbox he was going feral, to the point he had to be restrained a few times by the Justice League members when he was part of the team.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? I thought he loses control. I remember that wasn't the case in a battle once, but I thought that was the consistent portrayal of him. Even when he had the Motherbox he was going feral, to the point he had to be restrained a few times by the Justice League members when he was part of the team.
Like I said, Simonson's run did away with that.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
There is no stated number to his increase in speed and strenght. He just becomes stronger and stronger and more viscious.
I know, I was just going to add that. There was no mention of 10x or whatever, but when Orion is enraged, he did destroy a good portion of Apokolips just by growing.
I remember Orion also going into cosmic being form, where he looked like a universe.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
There is no stated number to his increase in speed and strenght. He just becomes stronger and stronger and more viscious.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I know, I was just going to add that. There was no mention of 10x or whatever, but when Orion is enraged, he did destroy a good portion of Apokolips just by growing.I remember Orion also going into cosmic being form, where he looked like a universe.
Really? Well he better increase fast, because when Thor hits Warrior Madness, he has no qualms in killing and with that big of a strength advantage, he'd probably rip his head off.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So that's probably the instance I'm recalling. That was during the early 00's right? So after Orion's appearance in the JLA which was probably in the late 90's or early 00's.Cool. Didn't know it was an official retcon.
I don't know if it's official. Starlin's Orion looked like a bafoon in comparison.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? Well he better increase fast, because when Thor hits Warrior Madness, he has no qualms in killing and with that big of a strength advantage, he'd probably rip his head off.
Orion has no problems killing as well. Hell, he doesn't have to be in enraged to kill. He did kill a WHOLE species, just because they pissed him off. Innocent bystanders and all.
Originally posted by Prep-ManI have both Issues. Orion grew to Hundreds of feat tall and then went into a rage. He destroyed huge chunks of Apok with Omnidirecitonal Astro-Force blasts.
I know, I was just going to add that. There was no mention of 10x or whatever, but when Orion is enraged, he did destroy a good portion of Apokolips just by growing.I remember Orion also going into cosmic being form, where he looked like a universe.
He can also self amp and become kind of cosmic avatar. HE's done it twice. Once to scare some humans. The second time to fight DS in the source.