Originally posted by TheKahn
Sentry. I'm not sure Nate wants to poke around in Big Bird's head for the first time and in the middle of a fight. And that's about the only shot he's got.Plus, how many times has Sentry been killed and brought himself back at this point?
Plus how many times has X-Man bin killed and brought himself back at his point?
Originally posted by id369
So besides Telepathy, Nate can not fall back on his monstrous Psi, TK, Pre-Cog, and Energy Manipulating abilities to give Bob a good fight?Plus how many times has X-Man bin killed and brought himself back at his point?
No, he can't. Sentry in well above Herald level. IIRC his shield file said he absolutely no detectable weaknesses whatsoever. ( I would post more but the Sentry respect thread is 40 pages long and the scans are really spread out )
X-man had a wonky death that left the door open for his eventual resurrection if later writers wanted to use the character. The Sentry has literally been killed multiple times only to come back seconds or minutes later.
Originally posted by TheKahn
No, he can't. Sentry in well above Herald level. IIRC his shield file said he absolutely no detectable weaknesses whatsoever. ( I would post more but the Sentry respect thread is 40 pages long and the scans are really spread out )X-man had a wonky death that left the door open for his eventual resurrection if later writers wanted to use the character. The Sentry has literally been killed multiple times only to come back seconds or minutes later.
Except that he has been fooled mentally before and has shown that his mental state is his weakness.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Except that he has been fooled mentally before and has shown that his mental state is his weakness.
It is. And characters like the combined efforts of Professor X and Emma Frost who know Robert have been able to affect his mind while he was busy fighting someone else. How Nate is suppose to navigate the Sentry's fractured mind while at the same time avoiding Herald leveling attacks during a speed blitz is beyond me.
Originally posted by TheKahn
No, he can't. Sentry in well above Herald level. IIRC his shield file said he absolutely no detectable weaknesses whatsoever. ( I would post more but the Sentry respect thread is 40 pages long and the scans are really spread out )
Shields files are nice, and Sentry has certainly had his moments. But the word is out, X-Man has the raw power to go toe to toe with the Sentry.
Originally posted by TheKahnX-man had a wonky death that left the door open for his eventual resurrection if later writers wanted to use the character. The Sentry has literally been killed multiple times only to come back seconds or minutes later.
Regardless of how you view Nate’s resurrections. X-Man has successfully come back to life twice.
Originally posted by id369
Shields files are nice, and Sentry has certainly had his moments. But the word is out, X-Man has the raw power to go toe to toe with the Sentry.Regardless of how you view Nate’s resurrections. X-Man has successfully come back to life twice.
That's nice but I have no idea what Norman (read: the writers) are basing that judgment on. The Sentry has beaten a herald without batting an eyelash and supposedly took on Galactus himself.
And here is what happened the last time a Herald took on a "God" like version of Cable (X-man's genetic twin).
SS vs. “God” Cable
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Originally posted by TheKahn
That's nice but I have no idea what Norman (read: the writers) are basing that judgment on. The Sentry has beaten a herald without batting an eyelash and supposedly took on Galactus himself.And here is what happened the last time a Herald took on a "God" like version of Cable (X-man's genetic twin).
SS vs. “God” Cable
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By far Terrax is no Surfer, and neither is Sentry. To makes matter worse, in an X-Man vs. Sentry fight. Sentry can not count on the fact that:
Nate will be exhausted.
Apply World Level TP.
Hold a floating City
Originally posted by id369
I would take Spiderman claim of Sentry stalemating Galactus with a fine grain of salt. Sentry has not shown, us he could do so, we have the All Out Sentry vs. WWH to support my claim. But if you’re a sucker for big talk, the X-Man writers has stressed that if Nate was to ever confront the Phoenix. It would lead to such a destructive battle down to a quantum level.By far Terrax is no Surfer, and neither is Sentry. To makes matter worse, in an X-Man vs. Sentry fight. Sentry can not count on the fact that:
Nate will be exhausted.
Apply World Level TP.
Hold a floating City
Yet you offer Norman's comments about Nate as proof of something??? Odd.
Everyone had to job against WWH even Dr. freaking Strange.
And the Surfer has struggled in fights against Terrax while the Sentry barely had to move to beat him. Let me repeat: He beat a herald like you or I could beat a 5 year old boyscout. As for Cable vs SS, Cable's the one who proclaimed himself a "God" midfight only to have the Surfer leaving him a bleeding lump of meat when he decided to put an end to the fight.
My point is Sentry feats>>>than Nate's (and just about every other Marvel Character)
Originally posted by TheKahn
Yet you offer Norman's comments about Nate as proof of something??? Odd.Everyone had to job against WWH even Dr. freaking Strange.
And the Surfer has struggled in fights against Terrax while the Sentry barely had to move to beat him. Let me repeat: He beat a [b]herald
like you or I could beat a 5 year old boyscout. As for Cable vs SS, Cable's the one who proclaimed himself a "God" midfight only to have the Surfer leaving him a bleeding lump of meat when he decided to put an end to the fight.My point is Sentry feats>>>than Nate's (and just about every other Marvel Character) [/B]
You know Norman’s comment serves as the inspiration, of this match.
Your not grasping my comment, in reference towards Cable vs. Surfer. You need to factor out the fact that, Cable was already exhausted, heavily multi tasking, with his powers partially limited by the time Surfer Fought him. These factors do not exist in this match up, which makes it a hard reference.
Besides X-Man last big fight was against a Herald Class character. The Harvester was an alien entity composed of pure energy, hot linked to all Earth. And yet he admitted he was not match for Nate.
Originally posted by id369
You know Norman’s comment serves as the inspiration, of this match.Your not grasping my comment, in reference towards Cable vs. Surfer. You need to factor out the fact that, Cable was already exhausted, heavily multi tasking, with his powers partially limited by the time Surfer Fought him. These factors do not exist in this match up, which makes it a hard reference.
Besides X-Man last big fight was against a Herald Class character. The Harvester was an alien entity composed of pure energy, hot linked to all Earth. And yet he admitted he was not match for Nate.
If you think Nate is a herald level character or above, you are certainly welcomed to that opinion. Personally I've never seen Nate actually fight and win against a character of that power. As for the Harvester, Nate didn't actually beat the villain in physical terms. He merged his body with the Harvester in order to poison the creature - which is slightly different that simply kicking someone's ass.
As for Cable vs SS, people tend to forget that SS was holding back as well. He didn't use any of the numerous powers at his disposal that could have killed or KO'ed Cable (ie molecule manipulation, creating blackholes, board entrapment, size altering, and planet destroying cosmic blasts...among others). In the end the fight ended on SS's terms and nothing about the fight suggest Cable ever had a chance.
