Originally posted by chomperx9
no because we take things less offensive compared to other races.
Maybe.
Then again, it may be because there's a whole weight of cultural and historical significance that attaches that word to vast swathes of humanity who were enslaved and degraded based on their skin colour.
"Cracker" doesn't have that.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauritrue but other races still take things more offensive than we do even when it doesnt involve skin color only their culture or race.
Maybe.Then again, it may be because there's a whole weight of cultural and historical significance that attaches that word to vast swathes of humanity who were enslaved and degraded based on their skin colour.
"Cracker" doesn't have that.
-AC
like hispanics. you call one a naco or cholo they take that more offensive than we do being called gringos
Originally posted by lil bitchinessi agree. if they dont like the word then they shouldnt use it just as much as we do. all they are doing is making it look like for others that its ok to use it since they do. but when others use it its a big NO NO
One thing that baffles me is why certain black people keep using it to refer to one another! It is so wrong.That whole ''I can call myself that, but you can't'' crap just doesn't fly.
i just feel that censoring words and having one group of people "own" that word is BS. if blacks say nigga to one another--in expressions as offensive as "you're one stupid nigga"--why is it that the mere mention of the world from a white man makes it such a bad thing.
i've practically grown up with blacks, my ex-girlfriend was black and my best friend was black. what pissed me off was how after knowing someone for sixteen years the moment i said the n word he turned around and called me racist.....and i just pointed out the irony of knowing him for sixteen years and being his best friend.
what pisses me off is how knee-jerk it is. you siad the n-word, BAM! you're racist. no compromise. its the context that really matters. how can someone you've been practically brothers with, lived with, grown up with be racist?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well is there any meaningfully large segment of the population that is offended by the word cracker?
No, but shouldn't we ask why whites are not so offended by this? According to some ; "N*gger" is so negative because of the historical baggage that comes along with it. From what I remember, "Cracker" was born of the slave era and has ties to slavery directly -- so why wouldn’t whites be pissed?
Originally posted by Blinky
No, but shouldn't we ask why whites are not so offended by this? According to some ; "N*gger" is so negative because of the historical baggage that comes along with it. From what I remember, "Cracker" was born of the slave era and has ties to slavery directly -- so why wouldn’t whites be pissed?
Did you sleep through history class or something? White people weren't the slaves, any word used to insult them by the black slaves was (and remains) impotent because of that difference in standing. ****** doesn't evoke the "era" of slavery, it evokes that there was a time when it was okay for one's ancestors to be treated as less than human. It is also generally how the word is directed more than the simple word itself.
Mind you ****** is only said by three types of people: those who wish to offend (in which case they have no right to be surprised when people react), racists (in which case they really are racists) and very rarely people like me that just don't care.
One reason that it will always be offensive is that they is money to be made in being offended. As long a we as society reward victims we will produce victims.
That in no way negates history but is no less true. We will never get beyond something if people are using it as a tool and therefore don't want it to go away.
Before you disagree I ask if you are old enough to remember Bernie Goetz? If not research the case. There are many more but this one is simple and obvious.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Did you sleep through history class or something? White people weren't the slaves, any word used to insult them by the black slaves was (and remains) impotent because of that difference in standing.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
****** doesn't evoke the "era" of slavery, it evokes that there was a time when it was okay for one's ancestors to be treated as less than human. It is also generally how the word is directed more than the simple word itself.
I'll have to explain myself. For the average white person in the 2000's "Cracker" is a negative word, but it is still laughable to be called one (see Chris Rock shows for a perfect example). Who cares if they (white people) were the ones with power in the slave days. The point is that most modern white people (especially liberal cry-babies) should be offended being called "Cracker" because "Cracker" brings up sterotypes of white people being the inheretly oppressive "white devils" who are racist. That is both an insult and a sterotype towards whites, much like the word "N*gger" is to blacks. Although, like I already pointed out "N*gger" seems to pack more of a punch (for good reason). It seems to me that "Cracker" rarely offends white people at all , I just dont get it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Mind you ****** is only said by three types of people: those who wish to offend (in which case they have no right to be surprised when people react), racists (in which case they really are racists) and very rarely people like me that just don't care.
Originally posted by Blinky
I'll have to explain myself. For the average white person in the 2000's "Cracker" is a negative word, but it is still laughable to be called one (see Chris Rock shows for a perfect example). Who cares if they (white people) were the ones with power in the slave days. The point is that most modern white people (especially liberal cry-babies) should be offended being called "Cracker" because "Cracker" brings up sterotypes of white people being the inheretly oppressive "white devils" who are racist. That is both an insult and a sterotype towards whites, much like the word "N*gger" is to blacks. Although, like I already pointed out "N*gger" seems to pack more of a punch (for good reason). It seems to me that "Cracker" rarely offends white people [b]at all , I just dont get it.[/B]
Really? The only concept that "cracker" evokes in my mind is a sort of snack and I've never once met a person who used it as in a serious context as a pejorative. Not to mention that it many places it refers to poor whites, rather than just white people.
Blinky has a point, "Cracker" or "Cracka", was a term used by black slaves to denote the cracking sound of the slave-mongers whip. So I've read.
So when a negroid calls a honky a "cracka", they're calling them a racist slave-driver, which is a negative and can be insulting to some, especially those white "let's give the negro a free-pass, because they've had it oh so, so rough" lib-pussies, he referred to.
Originally posted by Robtard
Blinky has a point, "Cracker", which started out as "Cracka", was a term used by black slaves to denote the cracking sound of the slave-mongers whip. So I've read.So when a negroid calls a honky a "cracka", they're calling them a racist slave-driver, which is a negative and can be insulting.
Or it was a term for Scostmen, or for poor whites that ate crackers, or for low paid cattle herders, or for braggarts. Next time a black person tries to insult you with the word "cracka" ask where he thinks the word comes from and what he believes a good modern definition is.
The baggage of ****** is inarguable, it's use as a pejorative predates American slavery. But no one really knows where "cracker" comes from and its meaning varies starkly from place to place.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
One thing that baffles me is why certain black people keep using it to refer to one another! It is so wrong.That whole ''I can call myself that, but you can't'' crap just doesn't fly.
Methinks The Lady doth protest too much.
If everyone on the street said hi bitchiness
You wouldn't like it.
You've taken that name and use it online in a community which respects you, but If I called you ***** to your face outside of kmc without warning I bet you wouldn't feel comfortable.
You don't know me And I don't know you.
Nevertheless On Kmc you call yourself a ***** and we call you a ***** and you like it.
Bitchiness is an expression we're comfortable with in The KMC community. You're a pretty cool girl and that's cool. Its a cool name. But at the Mall or at Work if people you didn't know started calling you by that name you wouldn't be normal if you didn't confront them and give them a piece of your mind.
The bottom line is whatever the reason its not polite or constructive to call someone else a name they have politely asked you several times not to call them.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or it was a term for Scostmen, or for poor whites that ate crackers, or for low paid cattle herders, or for braggarts. Next time a black person tries to insult you with the word "cracka" ask where he thinks the word comes from and what he believes a good modern definition is.The baggage of ****** is inarguable, it's use as a pejorative predates American slavery. But no one really knows where "cracker" comes from and its meaning varies starkly from place to place.
Black people rarely insult me though, so I'll probably never get the chance. 🙁 In fact, I've been called "******" by blacks more times than I've been called "cracka", odd that.
Not arguing that "******" isn't an insulting word.
Originally posted by Robtard
Black people rarely insult me though, so I'll probably never get the chance. 🙁 In fact, I've been called "******" by blacks more times than I've been called "cracka", odd that.Not arguing that "******" isn't an insulting word.
Indeed, I think people worry about this too much. The word is liable to fade with time. Not because people will forget slavery but just because language drifts naturally.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
One thing that baffles me is why certain black people keep using it to refer to one another! It is so wrong.That whole ''I can call myself that, but you can't'' crap just doesn't fly.
Cause it's said as a tem of endearment.
And Aplha C's comment fully answers the thread question completely.
With this comment..
"Then again, it may be because there's a whole weight of cultural and historical significance that attaches that word to vast swathes of humanity who were enslaved and degraded based on their skin colour.
"Cracker" doesn't have that.
-AC
That's why i always thought why N**** was always (way) more offensive than the term cracker is.