Originally posted by FistOfThe North
how do you let go of being stripped culturally early on. how can you let go of the fact that alot of these financial/insurance and gov't institutions that still exist, have benefitted and still do benefit from monies accumulated from the black slavery trade and/or racism. you can't, especialy when they're institutions you'd probably have to cross paths with, as a black person.The black slave trade generated hundreds of billions of dollars during those years and guess how much that is today with adjustment. Trillions. money did not dissapear and was put to good use. Out of all that money imagine the amount of independant small business and banks and agencies that've opened up back then only to sprout the behemoths that we have now. so it's not that easy to "let go".
And again (and again) i don't hate white people. i really do mean that. i have no reason to lie about that. if i disliked whites i'd say it on here. either way nothing would happen cause i don't care about being villified in here. so whether you believe me or not is your choice. in my heart and mind i know the truth.
How were you "stripped culturally"?
If you happen to define yourself as being or belong to "sub-Sharan African cultural", then I suggest you move there; there's an entire continent to sink yourself culturally in.
So you're upset that corporations exist today that were founded and/or benefited from black-slavery, despite slavery having ended 150+ years ago and you being in your 20's now? Seems all very odd.
Didn't say you 'hate white-people'. Just that you're prejudiced towards them as a whole.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Problem is that my definition is relevant as I used it initially to describe you. So you selecting a meaning that does not apply is just silly and leads to nothing of value.
well you didn't make it clear. all you did was call me a racist or whatever you wrote on that post.
and being looked at as silly by you is what's valueless. from the start i meant racial superiority. not prejudice and and discrimination.
guess you'll just have to watch how you sling the word around the next time so we won't have to go through a waste of time and unnecessary confusion like now.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And while you and I are out there b!tching about what people did to our ancestors and other people from other countries in Middle East and Europe that we had nothing to do with, we can bring along FirstOfNorth, and he can ask Arabs why their word for 'black people' is 'abd', which is plural for 'slaves'?
Probably because they had an active slave trade via Africa. That's not really surprising.
Originally posted by Robtard
How were you "stripped culturally"?If you happen to define yourself as being or belong to "sub-Sharan African cultural", then I suggest you move there; there's an entire continent to sink yourself culturally in.
So you're upset that corporations exist today that were founded and/or benefited from black-slavery, despite slavery having ended 150+ years ago and you being in your 20's now? Seems all very odd.
Didn't say you 'hate white-people'. Just that you're prejudiced towards them as a whole.
And slavery ended that long ago but there’re still a lot of corporations that exist now that were created back then with slave money.
And a huge chunk of African Americans are lost now because of what happened during slavery back then. The ripping apart of families, the mental abuse and negative conditioning over hundreds of years by whites, the dissolution of old world languages, ways of being, moors, customs, everything was stripped away from black slaves, all in order to be sellable. And all at a huge cost. It was a cultural stripping so huge that till this day it affects modern day blacks in this country. From being looked down upon because your ancestors were slaves or because the color of your skin, to being told that you’re unfit to fit in even if you do everything right. There is nothing right a black person can do in this country because of the past and because of it’s results now in the present in this American caste system I don’t care if your Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods.
Do you know what it means living through that fact that being black or colored means that you are automatically looked at as bad by groups of people just because you’re black or colored? It sucks, badly. I hate it with everything. It’s exhausting; it’s stressful, maddening, and downright depressing. Then only to pass that fury out on someone more accessible to you like a loved one. It could be through the abandonment of a child and his mom, to hitting a woman, to committing crimes, doing drugs, or joining gangs, not caring about school, and venting in that way. Those ways have to be extreme because they’re the only ways to let out the level off anger there is inside. People should be responsible but when there isn’t that much dignity in the first place, due to a lack of (a strong, foundational) culture, it’s hard to maintain that integrity mentally and socially.
And I’m not prejudice toward whites, I work with a lot of whites at my job and we get along perfectly fine. In fact I don’t even see them as white, but coworkers. I have white clients I deal with and I do not mistreat at all in anyway whatsoever. That’s my word.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And slavery ended that long ago but there’re still a lot of corporations that exist now that were created back then with slave money.And a huge chunk of African Americans are lost now because of what happened during slavery back then. The ripping apart of families, the mental abuse and negative conditioning over hundreds of years by whites, the dissolution of old world languages, ways of being, moors, customs, everything was stripped away from black slaves, all in order to be sellable. And all at a huge cost. It was a cultural stripping so huge that till this day it affects modern day blacks in this country. From being looked down upon because your ancestors were slaves or because the color of your skin, to being told that you’re unfit to fit in even if you do everything right. There is nothing right a black person can do in this country because of the past and because of it’s results now in the present in this American caste system I don’t care if your Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods.
Do you know what it means living through that fact that being black or colored means that you are automatically looked at as bad by groups of people just because you’re black or colored? It sucks, badly. I hate it with everything. It’s exhausting; it’s stressful, maddening, and downright depressing. Then only to pass that fury out on someone more accessible to you like a loved one. It could be through the abandonment of a child and his mom, to hitting a woman, to committing crimes, doing drugs, or joining gangs, not caring about school, and venting in that way. Those ways have to be extreme because they’re the only ways to let out the level off anger there is inside. People should be responsible but when there isn’t that much dignity in the first place, due to a lack of (a strong, foundational) culture, it’s hard to maintain that integrity mentally and socially.
And I’m not prejudice toward whites, I work with a lot of whites at my job and we get along perfectly fine. In fact I don’t even see them as white, but coworkers. I have white clients I deal with and I do not mistreat at all in anyway whatsoever. That’s my word.
That really didn't answer my question of who you were "stripped culturally." Was just curious, doesn't matter.
Still don't understand the negative towards "these corporations" though, unless they're still practicing the slave-trade. What should they do now, about their possible roots? <-- please do answer this, I'm curious.
I do acknowledge (and have witnessed) the prejudice blacks face in America, many a time. They're not the only ones though.
What I don't understand, is why "black culture" for lack of a better word, propagates the negatives, the 'gangsta' lifestyle, obsession over unneeded material possessions, derogatory view towards women, especially black women, violence, drug use etc. etc. etc. Others won't change their views, until blacks do it themselves, first.
Being prejudice doesn't mean you have to mistreat [white] people or shun them outright, just that you judge them based on their skin-color first and as a whole.
FistOfThe North, but it sounds like you are grouping all white people together and casting blame of them. I am considered to be white (even though I'm really more of a red color), but my ancestors came from Russia. I don't think the Russian's had anything to do with slavery. So, by saying "white people" you are doing to me what other people are doing to you.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Probably because they had an active slave trade via Africa. That's not really surprising.
It begun long before European slave trade and ended (???) way after.
Thats why the name for all black people in Arabic remains ''abid''. Which is equal to Americans using word ''slave'' to refer to all black people.
This fact doesn't seem to bother FirstofNorth...maybe because he knows that Americans are obliged through ''white guilt'' to listen to him whine and b!tch.
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And one more thing for FON,
How exactly is one stripped of ''African'' culture (ignoring at this point that Africa is a continent with thousands of cultures and customs and hundreds of languages), when those cultures exist in Africa still - well and alive.
Move to Africa, learn the language, assimilate and reclaim your ''culture''...that is if you know which country your ancestors came from. Or you can just pick at random, I suppose.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
FistOfThe North, but it sounds like you are grouping all white people together and casting blame of them. I am considered to be white (even though I'm really more of a red color), but my ancestors came from Russia. I don't think the Russian's had anything to do with slavery. So, by saying "white people" you are doing to me what other people are doing to you.
Russia had kholops and still has an active trade in sex slaves.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well duh. It begun long before European slave trade and ended (???) way after.
Slavery hasn't ended anywhere.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats why the name for all black people in Arabic remains ''abid''. Which is equal to Americans using word ''slave'' to refer to all black people.
That's the only word in Arabic for people with dark skin?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Slavery hasn't ended anywhere.That's the only word in Arabic for people with dark skin?
There is also aswad, meaning black or blackness (I don't know which one it is exactly or if anyone uses it, but its a word for black), but Abid or Abeeeeeed is the word used for black people. The origin and the meaning of the actual word, however is slave.
EDIT - These are the words I heard and are common between Middle Easteners. What are Saudis and other Arabs using, I don't know. If there are others...I don't know, my guess is yes. Are there other 'polite' words? Possibly.