Originally posted by Zeuodin
Nice blasting feats. Where is the hand to hand I asked for?
lmao. I posted scans of surfer using his superspeed and attacking/reacting/dodging in battle which is all that is relevant here(whether it be blasts or h2h). Combat speed is what is relevant and that is certainly not exclusively h2h and it has been shown clearly. He isnt fighting a h2h fight so u can foolishly keep asking for h2h feats till kingdom come but it in know way makes ur argument any less daft. Deliberately ignoring clear on panel evidence just further solidifies ur debating ineptitude.
Zeuodin, even if scans haven't been posted yet showing SS's ability to punch and block at FTL speed, you have acknowledged that SS can fly and and blast at superspeed, yes? If so, then whether he can block or punch is moot, since he can still hit supes w/ radiation, either w/ blast or nova effect.
Even if Supes gets first strike, unless it is PC, SBP, or similar powered, Surfer is too durable to be downed in one hit, and in-forum Surfer will exploit his weakness. Either that or imprison him in his board.
Wonder Woman's lasso is the only thing that here that can beat Surfer.
As I see it, the best match-up for DC would be:
WW —_Surfer; Surfer 8/10
MM —_Sentry; MM 7/10 (though, as pointed out, there is always void-risk here)
Supes — Thor 5/5
So overall, I would still give it to team 2, even under best circumstances for team 1.
Originally posted by Simbon
Zeuodin, even if scans haven't been posted yet showing SS's ability to punch and block at FTL speed, you have acknowledged that SS can fly and and blast at superspeed, yes? If so, then whether he can block or punch is moot, since he can still hit supes w/ radiation, either w/ blast or nova effect.Even if Supes gets first strike, unless it is PC, SBP, or similar powered, Surfer is too durable to be downed in one hit, and in-forum Surfer will exploit his weakness. Either that or imprison him in his board.
Wonder Woman's lasso is the only thing that here that can beat Surfer.
As I see it, the best match-up for DC would be:WW —_Surfer; Surfer 8/10
MM —_Sentry; MM 7/10 (though, as pointed out, there is always void-risk here)
Supes — Thor 5/5So overall, I would still give it to team 2, even under best circumstances for team 1.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
well Since Surfer is a BLASTER and that is what he does, I don't see how he's going to beat WW before Either of her team win. Superman is faster than Thor by a fair bit. He's going to beat Thor. 7/10. Wondy Doesn't have to fight Surfer. Just keep him busy. She's also known to return fire with her bracers.
Hyperion, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Firelord, etc.. is faster than thor and he beat them all. If Supes win its not speed thats going to pull the majority, its going to be his skill.
I give Thor a 7 or 8/10 against supes, his damage soak is on another level and his hammer hits would mess Supes up pretty bad.
Originally posted by carver9the hammer is going to miss more often than not. Or Supers Vibrates and it goes right thru. None of those guys you named fought Thor using full superspeed.
Hyperion, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Firelord, etc.. is faster than thor and he beat them all. If Supes win its not speed thats going to pull the majority, its going to be his skill.I give Thor a 7 or 8/10 against supes, his damage soak is on another level and his hammer hits would mess Supes up pretty bad.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
the hammer is going to miss more often than not. Or Supers Vibrates and it goes right thru. None of those guys you named fought Thor using full superspeed.
LOL at Supes vibrating and thor not being able to hit him. Since you want to use that trick then thor teleports behind superman as soon as the battle starts and hits him with a anti force blast. 😕
Originally posted by carver9Thor doesn't teleport mid battle or even at the beginning of battles. As If Superman's Superior Senses aren't going to detect the shift in air pressure. LMAO.
LOL at Supes vibrating and thor not being able to hit him. Since you want to use that trick then thor teleports behind superman as soon as the battle starts and hits him with a anti force blast. 😕
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thor doesn't teleport mid battle or even at the beginning of battles. As If Superman's Superior Senses aren't going to detect the shift in air pressure. LMAO.
Show me that scan of him doing that.
I know you know a lot about Supes and can provide scans so go ahead, I'll be waiting.
I would rather you use Wonder woman since her reflexes is > Superman.
Originally posted by carver9Superman used the air pressure to sense Primaid and then he knocked her out while she was invis. JLA number 3 volume 2
Show me that scan of him doing that.I know you know a lot about Supes and can provide scans so go ahead, I'll be waiting.
I would rather you use Wonder woman since her reflexes is > Superman.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Superman used the air pressure to sense Primaid and then he knocked her out while she was invis. JLA number 3 volume 2
And primaid teleporting abilities is just like thors?
Supes and thor would land punch for punch but thor hammer possess a harder lick than supes.
Lets not include all of thors other abilities. Thats why I give him the majority in a battle against supes.
Back on topic, team 2 wins this 9/10. They possess more powers, Surfer is the fastest on the field and can one shot anyone on the dc team and thor is the most powerful on the field and can get a majority off of anyone on dc side.
Sentry would play his part until thor and surfer is finish with whomever they are fighting.
Originally posted by carver9Superman is the fastest on the field in Mele. WW has the best reflexes. Surfer is a blaster. He isn't going to one Shot Wonder Woman. He isn't faster than the god Mercury at blasting. Nor DS. Nor The Shattered God. MM doesn't even have to be visible or material if he doesn't want. He can simply mind blast. No one on Team two is going to just shrug off his mind blast. Resist yes. Shrug off no. Superman is going to punch harder than Thor. He's more durable and he's faster. Speed and Durability play as much part in striking power as does strenght. Why do you think Zoom hits so hard? or Thor's hammer? Superman can throw his punches much faster than Thor can throw the hammer. he has to throw it and wait for it to return. If he misses,(likely) Superman is all on him before the hammer returns. Superman can also amp his striking power by simply flying. Wonder Woman and Superman do it all of the time. They both struck the General in a massive blitz. WW's struck Amazo the same way. Also The DC team will have something the other team won't. the ability to cooridnate and share all attack patterns. Not only have they teamed for years, they have MM. They will all be moving at Superspeed. Only two the marvel team can effectively combat manuever in aerial combat.
And primaid teleporting abilities is just like thors?Supes and thor would land punch for punch but thor hammer possess a harder lick than supes.
Lets not include all of thors other abilities. Thats why I give him the majority in a battle against supes.
Back on topic, team 2 wins this 9/10. They possess more powers, Surfer is the fastest on the field and can one shot anyone on the dc team and thor is the most powerful on the field and can get a majority off of anyone on dc side.
Sentry would play his part until thor and surfer is finish with whomever they are fighting.
Surfer is NOT just a blaster. He essentially demolished BRB w/out resorting to blasts, and has done the same with numerous other high herald/top tier opponents. Not only is he is a beast in melee these days (w/ help from board), but he can do matter manipulation all over the battlefield. Really, look the at respect thread, he has so many ways of beating wonder-woman without even firing a blast. Though, to be fair, in-character surfer would probably blast first, and then realize that it is not a winning strategy.
Also, Surfer and Sentry can also amp striking speed via flight. And Sentry and Surfer both have TP so that is also not an advantage limited to DC team. Sentry really is of questionable value here though (maybe to offset SS) —_best strategy for team 2 might be to tell Sentry to go home because he doesn't have what it takes, he leaves and let Void kill whoever matches up with him.
But like I said that is the BEST match-up for Team 1, IMO. Any match-up in which surfer goes against supes will be over almost instantly (unlike any of the other match-ups), and from there it's over. I don't know how long MM would be able to stand up against surfer, if they were matched.