Wolverine vs Spider-Man's Enemies

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ultimate spiderman 121. There a huge differences between ultimate omega red who only show one super power and it was to an textent vastly weaker then 616. There not even closes to realatable.

You do though, you said based on location, but any location does not matter, becuase spiderman can't do shit to stop the pheramones. It like ok fight starts spiderman passes out from pheramones before he moves........

Yea carver says a lot of things, I like some one to try and give me a reasonable explanation for spiderman even beating red once lol. But hey I even had some one trying to argue batman beating red or taking 3 wins out of 10 lol

But could you answer my question. Carnage is stomping Wolverine, won't you agree??

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I said he could last longer, and Masterbruce mentioned without phermones, let's not overrate the phermones though please. Omega Red wasn't changed that much was he? I don't recall so. But all of the characters in ultimate are really weaker.

But could you answer my question. Carnage is stomping Wolverine, won't you agree??

I think he wins, but not a stomp since of cis prevents such. But yes he should win everytime. Though really comparing wolverine losing to carnage as the same as spiderman losing to OR it not the same. Wolverine would put up a fight, Spiderman would pass out instantly...........

Ultimate red was held down by Ultimate spiderman (class 2) if not mistaken............616 Red has restrained colossus on several occassions........just to give you a taste of how incomparable the two are.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not overrating anything. Have you ever rad anything on red? He dropped a team of x-men in seocnds with the pheramones. He also drop NC with them who was in mid teleport........I aint overrating anything I am stating a fact spiderman would drop seconds. How spiderman going to last longer then beast, nc ect? There nothing about him that suggests he last any longer then they would. Red only display tenticles and limmited superhuman strength........that way different then 616 red and they are not comparable.

I think he wins, but not a stomp since of cis prevents such. But yes he should win everytime. Though really comparing wolverine losing to carnage as the same as spiderman losing to OR it not the same. Wolverine would put up a fight, Spiderman would pass out instantly...........

Carnage wrecks Wolverine though. He fights at his best here and could do it without getting close, not that it would matter either.

Night. Remember the words of Carver: Classic Spiderman is like Precrisis Superman. If he beat Firelord, he wins here. 😆

Night. 🙂

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sure have, I love reading Xmen. He would last longer than the average person, but he wouldn't last as long as Wolverine (whose healing factor is canceled out).

Carnage wrecks Wolverine though. He fights at his best here and could do it without getting close, not that it would matter either.

Night. Remember the words of Carver: Classic Spiderman is like Precrisis Superman. If he beat Firelord, he wins here. 😆

Night. 🙂

Beast healing factor=>Spidermans

CIS is still in play remeber. That makes a huge difference. Caranage would take it melee and it take him a while becuase he a dumb ass.

lol carver can be an idiot sometimes

Night.

How does the pheromones work? Do you have to breath them in or do they also react with the skin?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It took him seconds to drop beast, NC ect. what is haft a second gunna matter lol for spiderman? average human drops in a second spidemrna makes it 2 seconds whoopy lol.

Beast healing factor=>Spidermans

CIS is still in play remeber. That makes a huge difference. Caranage would take it melee and it take him a while becuase he a dumb ass.

lol carver can be an idiot sometimes

Night.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
How does the pheromones work? Do you have to breath them in or do they also react with the skin?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman is also more mobile, and NC is also. But I'm not going to focus on that just yet.

What does being more mobile have to do with pheramones? How is that some how going to make him get any wins or prevent him fro being KOed?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Now Carnage uses all of his abilities, he isn't as bad as some make him seem, actually I see him use his exotic abilities more often, at least his offensive ones.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
the vast majority of the time he treated like a bloodlusted moron who takes everything into melee.

😖hifty: 😆

Originally posted by Parmaniac

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
What does being more mobile have to do with pheramones? How is that some how going to make him get any wins or prevent him fro being KOed?

He pritty dam bad, the vast majority of the time he treated like a bloodlusted moron who takes everything into melee.

And Carnage does use projectiles and long distance axes, that's his trademark. Depends on if he's fighting Brock as well, as Brock and her have more of a history.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
CIS applies to Red as well. He just doesn't go into every single fight and shoot phermones while standing there laughing, he takes it up as well.

And Carnage does use projectiles and long distance axes, that's his trademark. Depends on if he's fighting Brock as well, as Brock and her have more of a history.

He tends to fight like a moron, crazy idiot.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Actaully he does uses his pheramones often and certainly in fights as NC and the x-men can all have witnessed. There very few times when he did not uses them and there were reason given for why such as not wanting to hurt children. I thought you have read issue on red............

He tends to fight like a moron, crazy idiot.

I thought you read carnage. 😛

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not at all it be a one sided beat down on Spiderman. Spiderman would gett utterly destroyed and not be able to do really anything to Omega Red. Poor Spidy.

even venom would be more deadly

both of whom spiderman does well against

spiderman far too agile for Red

Originally posted by American Dragon
Which ones does he defeat and lose to.
1. Venom
2. Carnage
3. Green Goblin
4. Sandman
5. Mysterio
6. Rhino
7. Scorpion
8. Shocker
9. Vulture

1. Loses this against Brock.
2. Loses to Carnage possibly worse
3. Loses to a smart, non-PIS Goblin.
4. Loses to Sandman.
5. Beats Mysterio easily.
6. Beats Rhino, though maybe not 10/10 depending on CIS.
7. Classic Scorpion was beastly strong and agile, and I believe could launch acid at one point, tough fight.
8. Crushes Shocker
9. Vulture doesnt have the tools Norman has, he loses here.

Also not sure how Omega Red came into this, but theres 2 points I disagree with. I dont see why Omega red would hold back on his death phermones because of children nearby. He was "killed" in Russia for being a child killer. Also Hes definately more than a different version of Doc Ock. Hes supposed to be the Soviet version of the Super Soldier. Hes better than Doc in nearly every way. Unfortunately Red is pretty mishandled. Sometimes hes a team buster who wrecks Cable without breaking a sweat, others hes getting taken out by Night Crawler or Gen X.

Doesn't sound bad... only thing is Ock has AI tentacles, and that would be the main difference aside from the death spores.