Batdude123 and TheKahn's Holiday Herald Tournament

Originally posted by Starscream M
My suggestion for scoring criteria (I know its kinda late)

Debating score is the total score that comprises of 3 elements

1) originality and creativeness - 5 points total
2) presentation and style - 5 points total
3) effectiveness and feasibility - 10 points total

so a perfect debating score would be 20 points total.

what do you guys think?

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*listed under the label of things that would have been useful to know before the tournament started* 😉

Originally posted by TheKahn
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*listed under the label of things that would have been useful to know before the tournament started* 😉

For the love of Darkseid, please use the points system as a guide. Like Smurph said clearly and Khan implied, it's night-impossible to actually put a debate into points like this. Everything should be used as a guide to better your decision making. Khan simply chose to post a part of his thought process. I don't think he'll expect you all to do the same 🙂

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
For the love of Darkseid, please use the points system as a guide. Like Smurph said clearly and Khan implied, it's night-impossible to actually put a debate into points like this. Everything should be used as a guide to better your decision making. Khan simply chose to post a part of his thought process. I don't think he'll expect you all to do the same 🙂

the following matches have 4 judges each. its possible ties can occur...in which case the points would be tallied.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he said points WOULD MATTER in the case of a tie though.

the following matches have 4 judges each. its possible ties can occur...in which case the points would be tallied.

Right. Its a last resort that I honestly hope we won't have to use.

Originally posted by Starscream M
My suggestion for scoring criteria (I know its kinda late)

Debating score is the total score that comprises of 3 elements

1) originality and creativeness - 5 points total
2) presentation and style - 5 points total
3) effectiveness and feasibility - 10 points total

so a perfect debating score would be 20 points total.

what do you guys think?

neat idea.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Right. Its a last resort that I honestly hope we won't have to use.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Really? Then I hope effectiveness is at the top of the list or something. Like Smurph pointed out, it shouldn't really matter how original something is if it's not effective. If it really is, then we could forego debating whether something is possible or not and simply focus of making things original.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Really? Then I hope effectiveness is at the top of the list or something. Like Smurph pointed out, it shouldn't really matter how original something is if it's not effective. If it really is, then we could forego debating whether something is possible or not and simply focus of making things original.

Originally posted by TheKahn

Obviously, debating is the most important part of a tournament match, but some credit should also be given to teams who come up with original but effective strategies. That's all the points were meant to reflect.

In the end, the judges are going to give the win to whoever they want. The numbers we came up with was just an attempt on our part to find a more concrete way to evaluate a win and give some feedback. I'm sure everyone has a different opinion on the matter, but this is the one we came up with. awesrug

I like the criteria as is. Please keep it, it gives precious insight to how judges think of said plan/stategy/debate. In the end, the Judges labels who the winner is.

Good call, Khan and MB.

Originally posted by TheKahn
In the end, the judges are going to give the win to whoever they want. The numbers we came up with was just an attempt on our part to find a more concrete way to evaluate a win and give some feedback. I'm sure everyone has a different opinion on the matter, but this is the one we came up with. awesrug

I think your criteria was very good. Keep it up.

I really don't care about the criteria. I've always gotten detailed feedback from the judges in my tourney matches, so I don't really think it will be more helpful to me... Perhaps it's helpful for judges, but I think most judges already have who wins in mind, and don't need to count up points to know.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
When I win, it should be recorded. I'm thinking like an epic poem about me. Just find me a bard.

sing, ye gods and godesses, the dreadful wrath of smurph,
whose hallowed words resound like the rolling thunder of the surf . . .

Speak in me, O Muse, of the mighty warrior Joel
Though clothed in godlike guises, he was an internet troll...

Originally posted by leonidas
sing, ye gods and godesses, the dreadful wrath of smurph,
whose hallowed words resound like the rolling thunder of the surf . . .

though he's short in stature and blue from head to toe
put him in a match and attacking he will go...

he even once went under... the pseudonym of boy blue,
all the whilst his sharp tongue made ye mind feel stuck in a bucket of goo

You have my Axe - He says.
And my Shield - He says.

But Smurph where is your guise, that covers his flamboyant pose?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Why so serious?

We're chill. Just chatting.

Because we've had to deal with a lot of bullshit.

Originally posted by batdude123
Because we've had to deal with a lot of bullshit.

This is bullshit, we had something special going. 🙁

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