Captain America vs Elektra

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman has done that, dodging bullets after muzzle flash.

Deflects multiple bullets with a chain.

https://imgur.com/Fcv9GL1

Deflects bullets

https://imgur.com/1mYGLpj

Deflects bullets from point blank range

https://imgur.com/a/im7O5

Dodges bullets from point blank range

https://imgur.com/a/ZdPKH

Just a few of his speed feats.

He's fast, but that's not the same kind of bullet timing as in the Cap feats, or the Elektra ones.

Also, uh, Elmer Fudd special? That can't be canon?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just wondering how Cap is in the ballpark of Elektra for doing the same thing Batman does but in his case Elektra is clearly faster than Batman lol.

As I said, double standards ahoy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I did.
Post all those bullet timing feats for Cap then.

He's literally right beside him and outspeeds the bullets.

Originally posted by Smurph
Each of those, Batman reacts at the same time as the shot, not after the muzzle flash. If he were reacting to the muzzle flash, we would see his body at the time of the flash and he would move before the bullet hit.

He's fast, but that's not the same kind of bullet timing as in the Cap feats, or the Elektra ones.

Also, uh, Elmer Fudd special? That can't be canon?

https://imgur.com/a/im7O5

Originally posted by Smurph
Also, I said marginally faster. Your tantrum is based on that phrase.

Originally posted by Smurph
👆

Nonetheless, I don't see Batman moving as fast mid fight. At least, not as casually and not without PIS involved.

Originally posted by carver9
He's literally right beside him and outspeeds the bullets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, Sure, he's aim blocking from point blank range here lol.

https://imgur.com/a/im7O5

Originally posted by abhilegend
He's not. He's in front of skull, his shield is likely a coloring error.

It's not a coloring error. We can only go by with what we see and Cap is standing right there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He's not. He's in front of skull, his shield is likely a coloring error.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Not for Batman, you didn't.

Originally posted by Smurph

My point has just been that outside of a couple PIS moments, Elektra seems marginally faster.

Originally posted by Smurph
I think that's the best feat of the bunch but it still doesn't have trigger pull, then move. It has it all happen simultaneously. Which is why I think Cap's is a cut above.

Originally posted by carver9
It's not a coloring error. We can only go by with what we see and Cap is standing right there.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Skull turns and fires to the side of them both. You can see the motion lines of his arm swinging. Cap and him are facing off, then he swings and shoots are the woman to the side of them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman must be omniscient then, knowing before the trigger clicked to know where the bullet is going, twice. In two different directions.

Aside from Elmer Fudd maybe, but I'm surprised you posted that.

Originally posted by Smurph
Like I said, it's the best of the bunch you posted, in my opinion.

Aside from Elmer Fudd maybe, but I'm surprised you posted that.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yep, that's fast, but less impressive than the Elektra showings. Especially when we can see that she moves entirely after the trigger is pulled.

Here's the quote I was thinking about where Matt calls her the fastest.

Again, I think Matt can match all of Bruce's showings vs gunfire, and Elektra is faster than him.

Originally posted by Smurph
Like I said, it's the best of the bunch you posted, in my opinion.

Aside from Elmer Fudd maybe, but I'm surprised you posted that.

It's at least as impressive as Elektra's bullet feat, much better than Cap's bullet feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman must be omniscient then, knowing before the trigger clicked to know where the bullet is going, twice. In two different directions.
Yes, in front of Skull, right in front of the captive.
Yes, and cap dives in with aim blocking the bullets. He didn't rush in from behind the skull to outrace the bullets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You changed your stance from this in the thread.

To Elektra being marginally faster. You'll get there. It's only a matter of time.

It's at least as impressive as Elektra's bullet feat, much better than Cap's bullet feat.

Disagree about how the Batman feat stacks up to Cap or Elektra's, for reasons already stated.

Anyway, Cap kicked her ass.

From Daredevil 10, after all those amps and whatnots. Lulz.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He's standing next to skull when the bullets are fired at the woman to the side, then he gets in front of the bullets. That's outracing the bullets. And it's a ridiculous feat for him and absolutely shouldn't be taken at face value, but it likely falls into the acceptable(though still questionable) high end for an enhanced individual like Cap. Unlike the insane feats where does stuff like reacting to lighting and light which are so far beyond human comprehension in speed that it'll always be PIS for Cap.

Originally posted by Smurph
I didn't change my stance. Elektra's faster, by feats. I just don't like being paraphrased to sound less reasonable than I have been. I've agreed the entire time that Bruce is fast, just not as fast.

Disagree about how the Batman feat stacks up to Cap or Elektra's, for reasons already stated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, Cap kicked her ass.

From Daredevil 10, after all those amps and whatnots. Lulz.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's not outracing the bullets, he jumped in from the side to where the bullets were aimed.
No, you claimed Matt is faster than Bruce and Elektra is faster than Matt. That doesn't work with marginally faster claim later.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, you claimed Matt is faster than Bruce and Elektra is faster than Matt. That doesn't work with marginally faster claim later.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah, that's definitely one way I see the fight going, which is why I called it even. But she did look a little bit faster 👆