Spider-Man vs Midnighter

Originally posted by Starscream M
umm...I love your ignorance

you've prob never read even one midnighter comic

he has shown similar strength feats

he has hurt a superman level character with a hit

he has ripped a human's spinal cord out.

read a goddamn comic.

Ive read many MN comics, and the irony again.

No he hasent, not even closes to it. If he has prove it.

so what that far cry from displaying the same ability is knocking back a tank cannon in comics. Batman, capt spiderman ect have all hurt heavy hitters with there punches does that mean they can now knock bck a cannon firer? Nope. hurting heavy hitter with your blows is not a strength feat.

So, wolveirne kicked a dudes had off. It does not require even closes to cannon back kicking back strength to come closes to accomplishing that.

the irony. find it hilarious since I literally read thousands of more comics then you

i's say spider-man. he has to be the smartest of the teenage heros, in the history of sidekicks,but of course, he's not a sidekick

Spidey could ruin any human, those aren't exactly Midnighter's best feats either. Mids can take punches from Apollo and Jack Hawksmoore, believe it or not. I dare say his damage soak is at least up there with Spidey.. It's difficult to say who wins the "precog" war, but considering that Spidey is naturally faster, he would win if their "precogs" stalemate.

There a huge difference between Midnighters ability and Spidermans. Midnighter knows what may happen, he knows the different scenerio that may play out, he doe snot know which one will play out. That a huge differences between spidersense which actaully tells him what the next attack will be and when.

I remember Midnighter running a couple million scenarios in his head while fighting Monsters, and he downed them all.

He also took a kick that launched him a pretty far distance with no discomfort. Plus his combat speed is faster than Spidey's, and his combat scenario computer will give him the win more often than not.

Midnighter, and it's not really that close.

Originally posted by KingD19
I remember Midnighter running a couple million scenarios in his head while fighting Monsters, and he downed them all.

He also took a kick that launched him a pretty far distance with no discomfort. Plus his combat speed is faster than Spidey's, and his combat scenario computer will give him the win more often than not.

again like spidermans never done that. No his combat speed is most certainly not faster then spidermans prove it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea like spidermans never delt with some shitty monsters........

again like spidermans never done that. No his combat speed is most certainly not faster then spidermans prove it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
his mind and reaction speed is far greater than spiderman...you can't process millions of scenarios without superspeed

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He has built in computer. Being able to proccesses scenerios at an extremely fast rate does not equate to you have super fast reflexes or speed, thats some BS. There no evidences to suggest he faster or has better reflexes then Spiderman, but that for proving your utter ignorance again for the thousands time

processing million scenarios is useful only if you have the speed to use it

if I gave you a comp processing a million scenarios, it would be useless to you because you'd be too slow to react

MN can react at miliseconds...faster than most streetlevelers, including spiderman

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're the ignorant one

processing million scenarios is useful only if you have the speed to use it

if I gave you a comp processing a million scenarios, it would be useless to you because you'd be too slow to react

MN can react at miliseconds...faster than most streetlevelers, including spiderman

No it usesful requardless. His brain runs scenerio's which could occure during the fight.

No he can't you dont understand his powers at all. He never once been describe like that. His ability to run simulation in his mind is from combat computer built into his head, it seperate from his reflexes and speed. He does not posses the same speed as his brain is able to simulate, becuase it a seperate enhancement. god your ignorant.

If I remember correctly about the monster feat, he was running thousands of scenarios for each of the hundreds of monsters. And just look at some of MN's feats.

spidey.

BTW, let's squash the "spidey always loses to highly skilled street-levelers" rumor please

Originally posted by namorsubby
spidey.

BTW, let's squash the "spidey always loses to highly skilled street-levelers" rumor please

Go look at it.

Originally posted by KingD19
If I remember correctly about the monster feat, he was running thousands of scenarios for each of the hundreds of monsters. And just look at some of MN's feats.

Not that that is a bad feat since Grifter is up there with Doom and Kyle on the awesomeness scale.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're the ignorant one

processing million scenarios is useful only if you have the speed to use it

if I gave you a comp processing a million scenarios, it would be useless to you because you'd be too slow to react

MN can react at miliseconds...faster than most streetlevelers, including spiderman

Also, Spider-man can kick through a tank shell no prob. Also can someone post scans of Midnighter displaying his combat speed? 'cause I really doubt he's faster than Parker.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I made a thread about "skill" Spiderman is skilled even if he isn't an official MA.

Go look at it.

i have read somewhere that he has developed a "freestyle fighting form" which contours to his ehancements.......i'm not sure it would quallify though

Originally posted by namorsubby
i have read somewhere that he has developed a "freestyle fighting form" which contours to his ehancements.......i'm not sure it would quallify though

Finding a way to effectively use the powers is one thing, being able to fight when the powers are turned off is another thing.
Proper combat training indeed did enhance Spiderman's performance to great degree.

For example, shieldless Captain America without limitless stamina provided by SSS is still someone you won't want to face in a fight. Powerless Spiderman has nothing like that to add to his resume. His "fighting style" is acrobatics (impossible for regular human) and power usage...that's all.

Powers can be a part of one's fighting style, but saying Spidey has great combat skills is farfetched IMO, I'm not on "Spidey loses to Daredevil-types" bandwagon, that's stupid BS, but I do believe guys like Iron Fist or Midnighter who have smaller gap to close statswise would beat poor Pete into ground.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Spiderman is not skilled. If hios powers were stripped he be a no body. He not skilled he relies on his powers to win. They even did a what if spiderman was properly trained and he was a complete utter monster.

For once, I agree with you. Somebody with clearly superhuman stats AND proper combat training\strategic mind can lay all the variants of traps to Spidey... in fact, I can see Midnighter utilising the "false positive" scenario to get Spidey into dodging fake attack only to get hit into the face.