Crime Statistics by Race

Originally posted by inimalist
It is actually considerably worse than that

studies show that interviewers are more engaged, polite and friendly with white over black applicants during an interview, [b]including scenarios where the interviewer was also black. That these biases would remain when the interviewer knows they are being assessed (though not for racial bias, deception would have been used in the study) is further telling of the obstacles faced by black people when searching for employment.

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Are we referring to the same study? Did they do that in the same study, as well? I only recall the portion about the job applications themselves. That would be one massive study if they also undertook the actual interview portion, too.

And, how did they figure out the cold versus warm demeanor? Wouldn't that be slightly subjective? (To a point.) Did they record the interviewer?

And where is the study? I've looked and could not find.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Are we referring to the same study? Did they do that in the same study, as well? I only recall the portion about the job applications themselves. That would be one massive study if they also undertook the actual interview portion, too.

Several studies, likely dating back over 20 years. Research that consists of a single study is useless in the overall scheme of things 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, how did they figure out the cold versus warm demeanor? Wouldn't that be slightly subjective? (To a point.)

inter-rater reliability. multiple researchers would judge the content of the interview and they would have to have very similar definitions of the qualities in question (normally assessed in a pilot study). Not as objective as an fMRI, but its not nearly as subjective as one might think. Also, it isn't a single study, and the data together do suggest the same thing (ie: its not just one crazy study or research team).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Did they record the interviewer?

yes

Originally posted by dadudemon
And where is the study? I've looked and could not find.

I learned it as part of a social psych course, so it was mainly in the textbook and I hadn't looked for the studies since.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Wow, calling you an ignorant racist would be predictable.

I'll just lay the less obvious truth on you. You fell for Richard Nixon's scheme.

Originally posted by chomperx9
truth comments doesnt make one a racist. the thread starter should be considered one. and yes other races can get a job easier than whites in the states

you've tried to get a job as someone who isn't white?

you've actually been turned down for a job you were more qualified for because of your race?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Murder is only a point of view.

Woah....that's deep, man.

btw, while we are at people that get the short end of the stick:

http://www.feministing.com/archives/019320.html

http://www.copyblogger.com/james-chartrand-underpants/

That said, I am somewhat against affirmative action, but to deny the problem it is based on is silly and if not racist at least severely misinformed.

Originally posted by Liberator
on the right track but it isn't skin colour that has you commit crimes, it's you, yourself. Yeah, Poverty = Crime, Emma Goldman proved that as did many others.

But these things can't be taken from a stand point like this. The human RACE commits crimes because thats what we do, theres immoral cruel bastards out there, (aka the FBI), who make it their mission to do stupid shit like this.

Laws are probably contrary to our nature, so why not just bin them and go for "the survival of the fittest".🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
you've tried to get a job as someone who isn't white?

you've actually been turned down for a job you were more qualified for because of your race?

and answer this for me if you think my comment about hiring blacks and other races before whites is wrong.

if you go to walmart target bestbuy macys any retail store why do you always see a black female behind the register ?

not being racist just cause im asking a question not putting anyone down just posting of what ive heard from others.

Originally posted by chomperx9
if you go to walmart target bestbuy macys any retail store why do you always see a black female behind the register ?

Originally posted by chomperx9
every time ive gone to a job interview where its a group and there is blacks there or females they get the position before me. i have a good resume no criminal records. usually i will get the position if its just a one on one interview.

and answer this for me if you think my comment about hiring blacks and other races before whites is wrong.

if you go to walmart target bestbuy macys any retail store why do you always see a black female behind the register ?

not being racist just cause im asking a question not putting anyone down just posting of what ive heard from others.

Have you thought of not using words like "ZOG" or "Pure White" or "Mongrelized" or "Aryan" at job interviews?

Now that that's out of the way, why don't you get an appointment at your optometrist and ask for the Farnsworth test. I used to have trouble getting jobs even before the economy collapsed until 2004 when I was diagnosed as color blind and realized that no one took me seriously because I had trouble matching my socks and knowing when ties clash or when my suit didn't match.

And please take the last part I said seriously. I assume that you're male. If you're male, I have a 1 in 50 chance of being right.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Have you thought of not using words like "ZOG" or "Pure White" or "Mongrelized" or "Aryan" at job interviews?

Now that that's out of the way, why don't you get an appointment at your optometrist and ask for the Farnsworth test. I used to have trouble getting jobs even before the economy collapsed until 2004 when I was diagnosed as color blind and realized that no one took me seriously because I had trouble matching my socks and knowing when ties clash or when my suit didn't match.

And please take the last part I said seriously. I assume that you're male. If you're male, I have a 1 in 50 chance of being right.

and i dont use words like white or zog at job interviews.

Because those are optional census related questions. You don't have to answer those. You may want to read the fine print.

Originally posted by chomperx9
every time ive gone to a job interview where its a group and there is blacks there or females they get the position before me. i have a good resume no criminal records. usually i will get the position if its just a one on one interview.

you know for a fact that they were not better suited for the job than you were?

You know, for a fact, that the employer would have hired you but was forced to hire someone of a minority race?

Because this seems more like post-hoc rationalization of your own failures through the scapegoating of others. "I failed because of them, not because of me".

Originally posted by chomperx9
and answer this for me if you think my comment about hiring blacks and other races before whites is wrong.

I think it is incorrect

Originally posted by chomperx9
if you go to walmart target bestbuy macys any retail store why do you always see a black female behind the register ?

confirmation bias?

even then, do you suppose that every black female with that position is less suited for the job than a white person and was chosen, against the employers desire to hire white people, by force of law?

Originally posted by chomperx9
not being racist just cause im asking a question not putting anyone down just posting of what ive heard from others.

what you have heard is incorrect. It is likely people are attempting to gain your support for white racial movements by trying to make you feel that you are being victimized by society. This couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, being white, you really do have nobody other than yourself to blame for your failures, because every study ever done into this has shown you have the advantage over other racial groups, even when you are being judged by members of that group.

theres really no point in explaining you wont understand. topics like these always lead to fights and no one understands one another.

PS your in canada in the states hiring goes a little different now these days so its equal towards others but sometimes its not always equal

Originally posted by chomperx9
theres really no point in explaining you wont understand.

clearly it is I who is unfamiliar with the actual data and statistics surrounding the hiring practices of companies with regard to race

way to dismiss that which challenges your beliefs 🙂

Title fail......they are all Human as a race.

Originally posted by inimalist
clearly it is I who is unfamiliar with the actual data and statistics surrounding the hiring practices of companies with regard to race

way to dismiss that which challenges your beliefs 🙂

Originally posted by chomperx9
i who, that which, yeah no offense but theres no way you would get it.

totally man, I'm slow like that

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
That is absolutely the lamest most untrue statement I've ever read

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Again, Moral Turpitude. It separates crimes of desparation, passion, and stupidity from crimes of intended malice.

Completely irrelevant. Crime statistics list crimes not 'excuses' for crimes.

USA does not have crime of passion at all (France does), but temporary insanity, therefore collecting figures on that is pointless (not to mention impossible).

'Intended malice' is another bogus category that does not exist in criminology nor criminal justice.
People who commit crimes ''on purpose'' are categorized into murder, vandalism, kidnapping, rape..etc.
Same goes for ''stupidity'' crimes. (whatever the hell that is).

In criminology and criminal justice the reason for the highest number of crimes has been identified as poverty, social and class divide.
Others include, biological factors, psychological factors and peer pressure. (some accepted, some rejected by mainstream criminology)

If you have issues with accepted facts, I suggest you write to US government statistics office, or The American Society of Criminology.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Completely irrelevant. Crime statistics list crimes not 'excuses' for crimes.

USA does not have crime of passion at all (France does), but temporary insanity, therefore collecting figures on that is pointless (not to mention impossible).

'Intended malice' is another bogus category that does not exist in criminology nor criminal justice.
People who commit crimes ''on purpose'' are categorized into murder, vandalism, kidnapping, rape..etc.
Same goes for ''stupidity'' crimes. (whatever the hell that is).

In criminology and criminal justice the reason for the highest number of crimes has been identified as poverty, social and class divide.
Others include, biological factors, psychological factors and peer pressure. (some accepted, some rejected by mainstream criminology)

If you have issues with accepted facts, I suggest you write to US government statistics office, or The American Society of Criminology.

He's saying that those categories are ones that should be mentioned, probably because they can be seen as differentiating types of criminals.