Lich King gauntlet

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The fact that we see Sephiroth materialize his sword from spirit energy in AC/C proves it is entirely spirit energy, and his will would prevent it's absorbtion. With nothing but willpower he's defied death twice, reconstructed his body, and held back the world's most powerful white magic

Also, yeas it does hit with all the power of a supernova, go read the 10th anniversary Ultimania.

I never objected to it being strictly spiritual energy. I am merely wondering what feats you have to fall back on that protect Sephiroth from having his moves and sword consumed by Arthas.

What feats of spiritual protection does Sephiroth and his sword have? Defying death is nothing. It happens in Warcraft all the time. Reconstructing his body will not help him here.

Holding back the worlds most powerful white magic does not really say anything. Clarify.

The lifestream is the spirit realm of FF VII. When you die your spirit returns to it and is absorbed back into it, Sephiroth avoided being reincorporated into the lifestream through nothing but will power. He didn't just defy death, he spit in the face of the entire natural order of the universe. Another feat of his is holding back Holy with nothing but will power. While he was fighting 8 powerful warriors he still kept it from moving just by willing it to stay there.

The Lich King can't simply take the spirit of a man who's will makes the entire lifestream powerless to reabsorb him.

I guess it was too much to hope for, to hope you would answer my questions properly. When your answers are less elusive and more constructive, we can jump back on the horse.

I've given specific answers to all of your questions. Sephiroth's will prevents anything from absorbing his spirit energy, that's a canon fact. You still haven't told be the Lich King's best durability or speed feats, though, so I suppose it's you we're waiting on.

A quick question: When you mean strongest Q, would that include a powerup people have attained when they was at a specific location?

Originally posted by Utrigita
A quick question: When you mean strongest Q, would that include a powerup people have attained when they was at a specific location?

I think it is their strongest on neutral soil.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Also, yeas it does hit with all the power of a supernova, go read the 10th anniversary Ultimania.

MoM claim the Lich King to, by definition, be omnipotent. I take it the "10th Anniversary Ultimania" is some type of manual, canon book or game information collection"

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If he leaves the physical plane entirely, can he actually fight from the spiritual realm? Or is it an overlapping sort of plane, like the etheral plane?

In any case, it leaves a similar number of characters who can potentially fight him. I'm unsure how to interpret the case of Deathwing now though. I'll wait for Q' to make a call on that one.

There are some moves he is able to preform from the spiritual realm against the physical realm, but the majority require him to be physical. That however means nothing really, since he travel in the spiritual realm at astonishing speed and can appear from anywhere and blast the target, then disappear again.

The spirit realm is a separate dimension which does not seem too influenced by changes in the physical realm. This seen when you at times has entered the spiritual realm and particular buildings and objects are still around when in the physical realm they are destroyed.

The strongest character by your definition would end up against him. The strongest without rare items, temporary empowerments ... or zone effects (To answer Utrigita)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I know that Link can fight spiritual beings. I don't think Sephiroth has any feats relative to that, and unfortunately in the GoW verse spriits seem to take on physical form with the exception of Hades' Souls. You know more about Deathwing than I do, so I won't argue that point, but it was concluded in another thread that he would win in a one on one fight. So, it seems he has some way to fight the Lich King?

When Lich King enters the spiritual realm, there will be a significant difference between him being spiritual and simply being in the spiritual realm. Lich King upon entry take his physical form with him, completely and utterly becoming part of the spirit realm. He at this point is incorporeal by physical mean, but physical by spiritual. This because his physical body is in a non-physical realm.

So while it would require an attack that attack him spiritually, the attack would have to pierce him physically first, this while he is located in the spirit realm, a scenario that require his attacker to possess the ability to see between dimensions.

A Warcraft example of this is Medivh, who could perceive a spiritual entity while being physical. Deathwing had a showing like this when he sensed Malfurion in his lair. The third example of this is the Lich King, who see the spiritual and physical realms in unison.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]I think it is their strongest on neutral soil. [/B]

So it wouldn't be Tirion with Ashbringer on that holy place I have forgotten the name off?

Light's Hope Chapel? Q'Anilia specify them attacking Icecrown.

the Lich King is slipping. I think Tirion alone could do a number on him but Deathwing takes him out most probably. cant speak for the rest of the crowd, except for Jak, but he shouldnt be a challenge for Arthas

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Light's Hope Chapel? Q'Anilia specify them attacking Icecrown. [/B]

Yes but Tirion would have reached his peak in strength from my point of view when he was at the Chapel, hence my question concerning whether ore not places that granted a boost in power was included. Hence my questions. 🙂

Now that having had that specified,

Fight 1: Tirion Fordring = dies

Fight 2: Jak and Daxter = dies

Fight 3: Sephiroth = no Idea

Fight 4: Link = Probably makes it

Fight 5: Kratos = Stalemate

Fight 6: Neltharion = Wins

YouTube video

He can throw heavy undeads on you!

Oh, and let me quote "His strength has increased ten fold. It will take a mighty army to destroy the Lich King. An army greater than even the Horde itself"

When was their "last fight" anyway?

Not sure they have ever properly fought. Wrathgate? Light's Hope?

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Not sure they have ever properly fought. Wrathgate? Light's Hope?

I don't think Sylvanas participated in either of those battles. The last time I can recall was when Arthas was still a death knight and weakened because of Ner'Zhul's waning powers.

Yeah, although he was only Arthas then.

If that was true then 10 fold does not sound much of an upgade hmmm...

But anyway nice vid, looks interesting I suppose although I assume this is before the main battle? also she must be overestimating him because obviously an army larger than the horde is not going to be in the final battle with the LK....although he seems impressive.

When she says "greater than the horde" does she mean agains the LK alone, or perhaps could she indirectly mean defeat his armies as well?

Originally posted by Burning thought
If that was true then 10 fold does not sound much of an upgade hmmm...

But anyway nice vid, looks interesting I suppose although I assume this is before the main battle? also she must be overestimating him because obviously an army larger than the horde is not going to be in the final battle with the LK....although he seems impressive.

When she says "greater than the horde" does she mean agains the LK alone, or perhaps could she indirectly mean defeat his armies as well?

Yeah, but it's hard to say if she meant it literally.

I'm pretty sure she meant the Scourge as well.

That is not in the Icecrown raid, as you can see in the video. There are only five of them, so it is probably one of those new dungeons that just happen to give you a sample of the Lich King.

Since they did not fight Arthas in the video, I think she might be talking about the Scourge. Although since they have proven able to break through the Scourge and entered the Citadel, they might be talking about him alone.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The Lich King is master over the spirit realm I should add, now that you add the whole spirit energy deal. It would be interesting to see him try use a spiritual attack against the Lich King, but the Lich King eat spiritual energy for breakfast.

No Supernova has ever taken place in the Warcraft universe.

Haha, I wonder what would happen when he tried to eat spiritual energy that were corrupted with Jenova cells. Would he fall under Sephiroths influence? Or would he overpower Sephiroth and be the next incarnation of Jenova (Or just gain Jenovas powers)?

Originally posted by Burning thought
If the LK can enter the spirit realm he would be seperate from the physical plane on which this Supernova takes place. Considering Sephiroth has never survived a super nova himself, he would be disintegrated along with most of those unable to defend themselves from such an explosion of energy which I assume would leave LK the sole victor....

A. Why would he need to survive it, a sun doesn't literally explode and they don't literally get thrown into the sun (Dissidia version). The Lich King would get hit with the power of an exploding star, not Sephiroth.

B. So as soon as Sephiroth does anything the Lich King would immediatly go to the spiritual realm?

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]What feats of spiritual protection does Sephiroth and his sword have? Defying death is nothing. It happens in Warcraft all the time. Reconstructing his body will not help him here.

Holding back the worlds most powerful white magic does not really say anything. Clarify. [/B]

Define spiritual protection, this is the only problem with mixing game universes.

Yes it does, HOLY, capable of pushing a 1800 ton airship from the heart of a planet to several kilometers high into the sky (destroying it in the process). Sephiroth held it back. Although there is more to HOLY but that is the only way it can really be quantified.

For note: Sephiroth has insane awareness, he has deflected attacks coming from completely opposite directions that were a split second apart, casually.