Originally posted by Master Court
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cheats on his taxes,
As far as I know... in 2008.. Juggernaut did not cheat on his taxes...
In 2008 he wasn't a W-2 employee...meaning noone paid him... he is under 65 years old and made less than $8950...
I don't remember him robbing anyone during the 2008 comics he appeared in... which means... He wasn't self employed... which requires more than $600 or more of self employment income to be required to file a return...
Therefore while everything else you said may be true... he was not cheating. United States Code Title 26, aka, the Internal Revenue Code.
P.S. If you know of any illicit income Cain Marko did not report.. please use www.irs.gov to find the necessary forms to report him. Thanks and have a merry xmas.
Originally posted by Master Court
They all at least match, and Hulk exceeds, because that's what he f*cking does. It's nothing to be embarrassed about. There are plenty of people that have been portrayed as stronger than Superman. It doesn't mean that, pound for pound and saved planet for saved planet, he isn't the overall best super hero around. All those big ass "end of all things" story arcs that DC has usually end with Superman saving the whole f*cking day with superficial help from someone that sacrifices themselves, humbling him and making him look like an even better person than we realized.Juggernaut, though, I'm not so sure. He doesn't have very many feats. He did match his momentum against WWHulk's strength and managed to push Hulk back slightly and there are some really f*cking stupid people that think it was pure strength vs pure strength because their tiny nuts can't fathom Juggernaut's momentum power failing and all, but that hardly counts as a strength feat. After all, Juggernaut, being as "powerful as he wants to be" should by far trump the need to get angrier to amp in power, yet he did little more than push WWHulk back six inches before Hulk stopped him. So, Juggernaut either isn't up to snuff in the strength department because his powers just aren't good enough, or because he doesn't want to be stronger? Truly, he should be able to go 8th Day as often as he pleases. Yet, in WWHulk, even after being embarrassed and swearing to trash the Hulk, Cain couldn't cut the mustard. He got in a few hits - who didn't - but they were taken in stride and seconds on they seemed to not make a f*cking difference. So it's not like he was "winning".
Besides, Juggernaut bangs sheep, cheats on his taxes, urinates on homeless people, pushes around the elderly, encourages abortion, and puts graffiti on churches.
You are seriously dumb. First and foremost the writer said it was a strength competition and that Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment was never a factor and secondly, why would it be? When Juggernaut and Hulk locked up they were completely stationary. Everyone knows Juggernauts unstoppability doesn't activate until he has already gained momentum.
An excerpt from his handbook entry:
See where it says "Once he begins to gain momentum"? For Juggernaut to have to go from a dead stop to pushing Hulk back slightly, he'd have to be using strength to do it. Before he could pick-up momentum and push Hulk back like he did War Hulk, Hulk side-stepped him.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You are seriously dumb. First and foremost the writer said it was a strength competition and that Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment was never a factor and secondly, why would it be? When Juggernaut and Hulk locked up they were completely stationary. Everyone knows Juggernauts unstoppability doesn't activate until he has already gained momentum.An excerpt from his handbook entry:
See where it says "Once he begins to gain momentum"? For Juggernaut to have to go from a dead stop to pushing Hulk back slightly, he'd have to be using strength to do it. Before he could pick-up momentum and push Hulk back like he did War Hulk, Hulk side-stepped him.
Look, dipsh*t, they both lunged into eachother. Juggernaut moving towards Hulk in the slightest would create momentum. That's what momentum is. He doesn't have to be walking for his upperbody to have momentum when he and Hulk locked up.
Furthermore, are you still thinking it was Pak that wrote WWHulk X-Men? Because it wasn't. So it makes no f*cking difference what he said. It was written by Gage. And he said it was intentionally ambiguous, and left it up to readers to decide what it was. But the proof is in the words. Juggernaut's own statement "We've done this dance before, Hulk. And I won." clarifies the whole f*cking thing. Nobody's ever proven stronger than Hulk. They always leave it unanswered. But what has Hulk always failed at? Stopping Juggernaut. Barring War Hulk of course. So, if you ignore the likeliness that it was momentum versus strength, and all the evidence, and the writer's statement that it was intentionally ambiguous, and Juggernaut not really having one f*cking feat where he physically - with pure strength - overpowers Hulk or any other powerhouse top-tiers, then sure it can be mistaken as a test-of-strength. Nowhere in the history of Hulk has another standard version top-tier character overpowered standard Hulk, let alone the strongest of all Hulk's. Something of that magnitute would have been noted by the characters, "Guess what!? Juggernaut is the strongest one of all! He f*cking overpowered King Hulk!". But instead it was a short fight and completely forgotten, meaning nothing significant happened that hasn't happened with them before. Juggeraut charged, Hulk couldn't stop him, end of. That's why Hulk said "Nothing stops the Juggernaut? Fine. Keep going." Keep going directly implies that Juggernaut was in motion. That nudge that Hulk gave him was just to speed him up.
There's a mountain of evidence to support that it was momentum vs strength. Show me one f*cking on-panel piece of proof that it was strength. Because to anyone that actually looks for evidence, Hulk's and Juggernaut's comments in no way mention strength, but very plainly refer to momentum.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
First and foremost the writer said it was a strength competition and that Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment was never a factor and secondly, why would it be? When Juggernaut and Hulk locked up they were completely stationary. Everyone knows Juggernauts unstoppability doesn't activate until he has already gained momentum.
Sums it up really. All the whining in the world won`t change facts.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You are seriously dumb. First and foremost the writer said it was a strength competition and that Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment was never a factor and secondly, why would it be? When Juggernaut and Hulk locked up they were completely stationary. Everyone knows Juggernauts unstoppability doesn't activate until he has already gained momentum.An excerpt from his handbook entry:
See where it says "Once he begins to gain momentum"? For Juggernaut to have to go from a dead stop to pushing Hulk back slightly, he'd have to be using strength to do it. Before he could pick-up momentum and push Hulk back like he did War Hulk, Hulk side-stepped him.
You are correct sir. But is it shown that Jugg first started to push Hulk from a dead stop? I forgot. I have the issues, I'm lazy and really don't want to look it up.
Originally posted by Master Court
Look, dipsh*t, they both lunged into eachother. Juggernaut moving towards Hulk in the slightest would create momentum. That's what momentum is. He doesn't have to be walking for his upperbody to have momentum when he and Hulk locked up.Furthermore, are you still thinking it was Pak that wrote WWHulk X-Men? Because it wasn't. So it makes no f*cking difference what he said. It was written by Gage. And he said it was intentionally ambiguous, and left it up to readers to decide what it was. But the proof is in the words. Juggernaut's own statement "We've done this dance before, Hulk. And I won." clarifies the whole f*cking thing. Nobody's ever proven stronger than Hulk. They always leave it unanswered. But what has Hulk always failed at? Stopping Juggernaut. Barring War Hulk of course. So, if you ignore the likeliness that it was momentum versus strength, and all the evidence, and the writer's statement that it was intentionally ambiguous, and Juggernaut not really having one f*cking feat where he physically - with pure strength - overpowers Hulk or any other powerhouse top-tiers, then sure it can be mistaken as a test-of-strength. Nowhere in the history of Hulk has another standard version top-tier character overpowered standard Hulk, let alone the strongest of all Hulk's. Something of that magnitute would have been noted by the characters, "Guess what!? Juggernaut is the strongest one of all! He f*cking overpowered King Hulk!". But instead it was a short fight and completely forgotten, meaning nothing significant happened that hasn't happened with them before. Juggeraut charged, Hulk couldn't stop him, end of. That's why Hulk said "Nothing stops the Juggernaut? Fine. Keep going." Keep going directly implies that Juggernaut was in motion. That nudge that Hulk gave him was just to speed him up.
There's a mountain of evidence to support that it was momentum vs strength. Show me one f*cking on-panel piece of proof that it was strength. Because to anyone that actually looks for evidence, Hulk's and Juggernaut's comments in no way mention strength, but very plainly refer to momentum.
You're slow, I see that now. Unfortunate for you I can't make my text appear slow for you.
Did I ever say Pak wrote it? No. What difference would that make anyway? There's a link in the respect thread about the Juggernaut i did that will lead you to a quote where CHRIS GAGE says the unstoppability enchantment was never ever a factor. He says that this story wasn't like the orginal Spider-Man story called "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut" and that Juggernaut was there for one reason and one reason only, to kick the Hulks ass. So, there we have the writer of that very story calling you an idiot.
Juggernauts OHotMU handbook excerpt...again, read carefully:
It says he has to have gained momentum for the enchantment to work. No momentum was ever gained. They locked up from a stand still.
Here's the pag before they lock up, are they running or walking at eachother?
Here's the page where they lock up. Look at the panel before the lock up, are they running or walking at eachother? No. They're slugging it out.
Again, and more slowly: IN...ORDER...FOR...THE...JUGGERNAUT...TO...GO...FROM...A...DEAD..STOP...TO...PUSHING...HULK...BACK...AGAINST...THE..HULK...PUSHING...HIM...HE...WOULD...HAVE...TO...USE...STRENGTH. He wasn't given the opportunity to gain momentum...ever. Ergo, Juggernaut used strength to push Hulk back against Hulk pushing against him i.e. Juggernaut overpowered Hulk physically.
Let's get to your "mountain of evidence".
What's happening here? Hulk says your favorite quote about Juggernaut being unstoppable (The world "Juggernaut" literally means unstoppable), then he sidesteps him. What happens next? Juggernaut stumbles. If it was the force of his enchantment against the force of Hulks strength he would've done alot more than stumble. Hulk proceeds to spin around and smack Juggernaut in the back which is what ultimate sends him running into the pond.
If you still don't get it after this, I don't know how to help you. I can't explain it any better than that.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hulk's not stopping a moving Juggernaut, end of discussion.I don't see Superman spending 10 years to dig himself out of a mountain. He could eat a mountain in 10 days.
HHHMMM, that was juggernaut during the time he first developed and tapped into his power.
How about him fighting the guardian (exempler) and the fight alone destroyed an entire Island. Or his one shotting the Stranger. Or what about his punches creating a earth quake across the globe.
I dont even know why I'm arguing about this; it has been stated at least twice that cytorrak grants juggernaut unlimted strength.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You're slow, I see that now. Unfortunate for you I can't make my text appear slow for you.Did I ever say Pak wrote it? No. What difference would that make anyway? There's a link in the respect thread about the Juggernaut i did that will lead you to a quote where CHRIS GAGE says the unstoppability enchantment was never ever a factor. He says that this story wasn't like the orginal Spider-Man story called "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut" and that Juggernaut was there for one reason and one reason only, to kick the Hulks ass. So, there we have the writer of that very story calling you an idiot.
Juggernauts OHotMU handbook excerpt...again, read carefully:
It says he has to have gained momentum for the enchantment to work. No momentum was ever gained. They locked up from a stand still.
Here's the pag before they lock up, are they running or walking at eachother?
Here's the page where they lock up. Look at the panel before the lock up, are they running or walking at eachother? No. They're slugging it out.
Again, and more slowly: IN...ORDER...FOR...THE...JUGGERNAUT...TO...GO...FROM...A...DEAD..STOP...TO...PUSHING...HULK...BACK...AGAINST...THE..HULK...PUSHING...HIM...HE...WOULD...HAVE...TO...USE...STRENGTH. He wasn't given the opportunity to gain momentum...ever. Ergo, Juggernaut used strength to push Hulk back against Hulk pushing against him i.e. Juggernaut overpowered Hulk physically.
Let's get to your "mountain of evidence".
What's happening here? Hulk says your favorite quote about Juggernaut being unstoppable (The world "Juggernaut" literally means unstoppable), then he sidesteps him. What happens next? Juggernaut stumbles. If it was the force of his enchantment against the force of Hulks strength he would've done alot more than stumble. Hulk proceeds to spin around and smack Juggernaut in the back which is what ultimate sends him running into the pond.
If you still don't get it after this, I don't know how to help you. I can't explain it any better than that.
Well, none of that would have happened if Xavier didnt get Juggernauts attention and distracted him. Juggernaut and hulk would have still been fighting.
Juggernaut cannot fly and is not as mobile as superman, so its common sense that it would take juggernaut a long time to walk out from under a mountain. Take away supermans flight ability, the ability to move chunks of earth at superspeed and his heatvision and superbreath... He would take just as long to dig himself out of that mountain... And in juggernauts defense... Has juggernaut ever rammed something and knocked himself out?.. Juggernaut would have hit that moon, kept going and turned around and laughed at the destruction.
Originally posted by Neutron-Blast
Juggernaut cannot fly and is not as mobile as superman, so its common sense that it would take juggernaut a long time to walk out from under a mountain. Take away supermans flight ability, the ability to move chunks of earth at superspeed and his heatvision and superbreath... He would take just as long to dig himself out of that mountain... And in juggernauts defense... Has juggernaut ever rammed something and knocked himself out?.. Juggernaut would have hit that moon, kept going and turned around and laughed at the destruction.
LOL, true.
wow... going off the scans.. i originally thought it was juggernaughts strength... but now i firmly believe it is simply the enchantment...
yes they slug it out,,, but then juggs headbuts him, juggs lunges at hulk... and hulk straight out stops him...
juggs has so MUCH momentum built up that when hulk steps out of the way, juggernaut goes running out to sea
and as for a reference
Originally posted by Neutron-Blast
Juggernaut cannot fly and is not as mobile as superman, so its common sense that it would take juggernaut a long time to walk out from under a mountain. Take away supermans flight ability, the ability to move chunks of earth at superspeed and his heatvision and superbreath... He would take just as long to dig himself out of that mountain... And in juggernauts defense... Has juggernaut ever rammed something and knocked himself out?.. Juggernaut would have hit that moon, kept going and turned around and laughed at the destruction.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeCountless weights?.. Wrong. Superman would have been trapped under that mountain like hulk was under the same conditions as hulks powerset. He may be able to move just like everyone else in this challenge, but he would never be able to get out like the hulks, juggernaut and gladiator because of how their strengh works. Supermans strength is set in stone ( unless sundipped ) whereas the ones mentions can and have gotten stronger by state of mind.
Only, Superman's movements would not be much hindered by the mountain. You could add countless weights on his body and he would still be able to move.
Originally posted by Neutron-Blast
Countless weights?.. Wrong. Superman would have been trapped under that mountain like hulk was under the same conditions as hulks powerset. He may be able to move just like everyone else in this challenge, but he would never be able to get out like the hulks, juggernaut and gladiator because of how their strengh works. Supermans strength is set in stone ( unless sundipped ) whereas the ones mentions can and have gotten stronger by state of mind.
to superman's detriment... in the dark... he'll actually run out of solar power... he may actually die in there.
death of superman 2: buried alive.
Originally posted by rotiart
wow... going off the scans.. i originally thought it was juggernaughts strength... but now i firmly believe it is simply the enchantment...yes they slug it out,,, but then juggs headbuts him, juggs lunges at hulk... and hulk straight out stops him...
juggs has so MUCH momentum built up that when hulk steps out of the way, juggernaut goes running out to sea
and as for a reference
I agree. It seems like the lunge to grapple with Hulk (no matter how big or small it technically was) should have continued moving Juggernaut forward. It appears that the Hulk either stops Juggernaut completely or slows him down past the human eye's ability to detect movement. Once the Hulk is out of the way, the Juggernaut continues moving forward.
ps if the Juggernaut's strength is actually unlimited, why doesn't he simply one-shot every brick he fights? 😕