What form of government makes the country the most successful?

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
The Soviet Union collapsed proving that there is no alternative to the free market.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh man do I love this one. Because we know, the only two options are communist dictatorship or complete unrestricted free market, right? It's not like every single country in Europe uses third system, right?

Should we list em?

Planned Economy, Market Socialism, Third Way/Corporatism, Regulated Market, Free Market, etc.

Soviet Union collapse for trying to compete with Capitalist super powers. A lesson the Chinese learned and rather than compete...they're willing to be open to do business.

Thus the Chinese are clever. Mao was wrong Deng was right.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Soviet Union collapse for trying to compete with Capitalist. A lesson the Chinese learned and rather than compete...they're willing to be open to do business.

Thus the Chinese are clever.

And currently own the US.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And currently own the US.

Yeah, but if we're sneaky enough we can pull the same gimmick as Ecuador.....

....DEFAULT FOREIGN DEBT. 🏴‍☠️

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Yeah, but if we're sneaky enough we can pull the same gimmick as Ecuador.....

....DEFAULT FOREIGN DEBT. 🏴‍☠️

They could always buy Alaska.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
They could always buy Alaska.

Alaska have the oil so let's sell them something cheaper and always at 70% on sale....

....CALIFORNIA! 😱

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Alaska have the oil so let's sell them something cheaper and always at 70% on sale....

....CALIFORNIA! 😱

Do you think they would want that? The Chinese are not stupid.

The government that our forefathers faught for is what makes the united states the most successful.The government they faught for and we originally had, is a government that was of the people,for the people, and by the people.Thats WHO controlled it originally.

Now we have an evil and out of control government on our hands cause now its controlled by big businesses and corporations.If our forefathers could travel into time and see what america has become now,they would be HORRIFIED and ashamed of the american people for how they have allowed the government to become what is is today now.

We are not a free country contrary to what people around here think.Thomas Jefferson said that when the government fears the people you have freedom,when the people fear the government,you have tyranny.well most americans fear the government.we have tyranny and are NOT a free country anymore.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
The government that our forefathers faught for is what makes the united states the most successful.The government they faught for and we originally had, is a government that was of the people,for the people, and by the people.Thats WHO controlled it originally.

Now we have an evil and out of control government on our hands cause now its controlled by big businesses and corporations.If our forefathers could travel into time and see what america has become now,they would be HORRIFIED and ashamed of the american people for how they have allowed the government to become what is is today now.

We are not a free country contrary to what people around here think.Thomas Jefferson said that when the government fears the people you have freedom,when the people fear the government,you have tyranny.well most americans fear the government.we have tyranny and are NOT a free country anymore.

This is one of those rare times when we agree.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh man do I love this one. Because we know, the only two options are communist dictatorship or complete unrestricted free market, right? It's not like every single country in Europe uses third system, right?

Even a mixed economy includes the free market.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
Even a mixed economy includes the free market.

Yeah but their aim was complete control by the state.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
Yeah but their aim was complete control by the state.

Free Market-a capitalist economic model where there are few if any regulations on businesses and what is legal in the frame of commerce. Businesses compete according to a misapplication of Charles Darwin's theories of the survival of the fittest. (simplistic definition)

Well if you define "the presence of any profit based business" as "having free market elements", then obviously there's no alternative...

Would the free market based government as Shey advocates be completely free of any Socialism?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is one of those rare times when we agree.

damn this is a miracle.the world must be coming to an end.
I NEVER thought this moment would ever happen. 😱

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Would the free market based government as Shey advocates be completely free of any Socialism?

There is a very gray line about what people call free market.

In Davos everyone talks about the free market even if they are very far from libertarianism.

Unfortunately for the conversation, you defined it so broadly as to render any statements about it's merits completely meaningless.

I'm going to get this on track by asking: How the fall of the Soviet Union "proved" there was no alternative to the free market? And on a deeper level, what does that statement even mean? Many countries today feature government-controlled economies with free market elements... in fact, the soviet union itself had such a system, though it was illegal.