What form of government makes the country the most successful?

Started by Shey Tapani5 pages

" I'm going to get this on track by asking: How the fall of the Soviet Union "proved" there was no alternative to the free market?"

Owrite the S.U. showed that the state cannot control the economy.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
" I'm going to get this on track by asking: How the fall of the Soviet Union "proved" there was no alternative to the free market?"

Owrite the S.U. showed that the state cannot control the economy.

Do you mean no regulation? Because if you want to see what an economy like that, check out Charles Dickens. No regulation means no middle class, no liberal democracy. Hell, the US tried to do the free market thing for 30 years and we're not much better than the Soviet Union right now.

Regulation is one thing.

Controling the economy is an another.

Thats what i wrote controling the economy.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
Regulation is one thing.

Controling the economy is an another.

Thats what i wrote controling the economy.

So you're not talking about free market, you're talking about a planned economy. Yeah, those don't work.

So you're for corporations paying taxes and not ripping people off and not forming monopolies and cartels and not insider trading or shorting their own stock to ripoff their customers and shareholders and not destroying their countries by outsourcing jobs and hiring undocumented workers and using prison labor and not putting their employees through wage slavery and unsafe conditions and for a minimum wage?

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
" I'm going to get this on track by asking: How the fall of the Soviet Union "proved" there was no alternative to the free market?"

Owrite the S.U. showed that the state cannot control the economy.


But there are many highly successful countries today where the state regulates the economy. Regulation is a form of control. So I don't think that statement is quite true.

Regulation is a form of rule, you have to obey this or that.

State controlling a company means taking over.

To rule something is to control it. When you control something, what do you do? You make rules. And if you have no control, rules are meaningless as nobody has to follow them. They are intrinsically related concepts.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
Regulation is a form of rule, you have to obey this or that.

State controlling a company means taking over.

Shouldn't the state control some services and industries?

Originally posted by King Kandy
To rule something is to control it. When you control something, what do you do? You make rules. And if you have no control, rules are meaningless as nobody has to follow them. They are intrinsically related concepts.

lets say that i am mayor. Just because i make a rule that people cant go to the museum at 8 pm does not mean that i control them.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
lets say that i am mayor. Just because i make a rule that people cant go to the museum at 8 pm does not mean that i control them.

It means you control their ability to go to the museum. At least, assuming the rule is enforced.

I dont control them then, i limit their movement.

thats semantics to the highest possible degree.

Originally posted by Shey Tapani
I dont control them then, i limit their movement.

That's a form of control.

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Nothing spells 'success' better than waving a hand at the flock of sheep you control at the palm of your hand.

No government makes the most successful country, but otherwise, a minarchist state will do well.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No government makes the most successful country.

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it doesn't work according to the OP, but there are various measures of "success"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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It's a very long discussion.

anarcho/socialism where individuals can own private property{that isnt a significant means of production} but cant trade with it and the government pays handsomely for intellectual property that proves capable of innovation and creating/better handling resources{including the more artistic resources that society needs}. all this with the maximum of individual and civil liberty, a ban on any relegious association with politics and strict minority rights and maximum democratic involvement in every national and international decision{relying more on general public votes than RESPRESENTATIVES of societies picked to vote, e.g , senate etc}.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
anarcho/socialism where individuals can own private property{that isnt a significant means of production} but cant trade with it and the government pays handsomely for intellectual property that proves capable of innovation and creating/better handling resources{including the more artistic resources that society needs}. all this with the maximum of individual and civil liberty, a ban on any relegious association with politics and strict minority rights and maximum democratic involvement in every national and international decision{relying more on general public votes than RESPRESENTATIVES of societies picked to vote, e.g , senate etc}.
Eew, government?