Emperor Palpatine vs. Harry Potter

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right, and Harry just stands there like a doe in headlights? Dont be stupid, even without his wand, Harry has non verbal spells and jinxes.

And, if they have knowledge of each other, Harry is gonna be on the move from the get go. Accio invisibility cloak, confundus charm, petrificus totalus. See, you have to actually KNOW the HP magic spells to realize Harry wins this, and apparently you dont.

Wait, lemmee guess. no cloak for Harry? More gimping, eh? 🙄

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now it's time for the final nail in Palpy's coffin:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis

After all, Harry should have access to all his spells and potions he is shown using in the movies, yes?

LoL, now you're giving Potter prep(potions need to be made) and giving him anything your heart desires. It's the '501st Vs Hogwarts' thread all over again.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, now you're giving Potter prep(potions need to be made) and giving him anything your heart desires. It's the '501st Vs Hogwarts' thread all over again.

Wait, lemmee guess, you are gonna use my argument that ANY force wielder can force choke, right?

OP states: "he [Harry] has his wand", so that's what he has. Not every single little trinket known in the HP-verse you wish to give him. He's a kid, not a pack-mule, son.

Fair enough, Palpatine, the strongest Sith can't Force-choke. He still wins with the abilities he's shown. Speed, precog, lightning, telekinesis etc.

Originally posted by Robtard
The fact that Palpatine can react faster(see: Force-precog and Force-amped personally abilities) with Force-Lightning, Force-choke or simply Force-push Potter so hard into a wall it breaks every prepubescent bone in his body, is why he wins over some kid with a little wand and a few spells.

Also, many HP spells get blocked by shit like walls, doors and tombstones, so Palpatine is likely to block a spell with his sabre, not that it'd get that far into the fight in the first place.

I see, it's the Emperors throne room, on the Death Star,which implies it is ROTJ Paply, right? Funny, I dont recall seeing that Palpy using a saber.

Also, that Palpy didnt see vader rising up and killing him, did he?

Block a spell with a saber? Dude, dont make me laugh. Wait, he isnt allowed a saber here. Doooooooh. MVF golden rule, babe. And if we are gonna go with blocking, Harry is likely gonna block Palpy's force attacks with his wand, as he is SEEN doing against magic attacks in OOTP. Pwn.

A kid with a wand and a few spells. Wow. You really have no idea how powerful Harry is, man.

ROTJ Palpy was old and crusty, slow as hell, no way he can match Harry in speed. Harry is likely to dodge all Palpy's attacks, or use a shield charm (Which I have proven without a doubt that nothing gets through), bide his time, then use one of the many spells he has knowledge of.

See, you accuse me of HP fanboyism (You always do this when I pwn a debate about HP magic, it's like your escape pod, or crutch), when you should be saying wow, you really know your HP shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I see, it's the Emperors throne room, on the Death Star,which implies it is ROTJ Paply, right? Funny, I dont recall seeing that Palpy using a saber.

Also, that Palpy didnt see vader rising up and killing him, did he?

Block a spell with a saber? Dude, dont make me laugh. Wait, he isnt allowed a saber here. Doooooooh. MVF golden rule, babe. And if we are gonna go with blocking, Harry is likely gonna block Palpy's force attacks with his wand, as he is SEEN doing against magic attacks in OOTP. Pwn.

A kid with a wand and a few spells. Wow. You really have no idea how powerful Harry is, man.

ROTJ Palpy was old and crusty, slow as hell, no way he can match Harry in speed. Harry is likely to dodge all Palpy's attacks, or use a shield charm (Which I have proven without a doubt that nothing gets through), bide his time, then use one of the many spells he has knowledge of.

See, you accuse me of HP fanboyism (You always do this when I pwn a debate about HP magic, it's like your escape pod, or crutch), when you should be saying wow, you really know your HP shit.

And? Does it say anywhere that he's gotten ride of it?

If a wall(as seen in the films) can block a spell, why can't a sabre block? It could.

The lightning, maybe. How's he going to block the force-attacks that are intangible? He wouldn't know what's coming. it's not like Palpatine words out what he's ablut to use.

Yeah, a kid with a stick and some spells. You silly fanboy.

Originally posted by Robtard
OP states: "he [Harry] has his wand", so that's what he has. Not every single little trinket known in the HP-verse you wish to give him. He's a kid, not a pack-mule, son.

Fair enough, Palpatine, the strongest Sith can't Force-choke. He still wins with the abilities he's shown. Speed, precog, lightning, telekinesis etc.

If Palpy force chokes him, Harry can still fight back, he showed that when teh dementor had him in a chokehold in OOTP. So much for Palpys force choke. Which, BTW, he was never shown using, so it cant rightly be used here.

But OK, only a wand, let's gimp Harry here.......Shield charm (Will block Palpys attacks, ALL of them), Petrificus totalus, end battle.
Harry doesnt even need a wand here. Remember the spell he cast on the fat ***** in the Dursleys dining room? She swelled up and floated away, man. Harry said no incantation and had no wand.

Speed? Palpy is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW in ROTJ.

Precog? Vader killed him, dude. Palpy didn't sense it.

TK? Blocked by a shield charm.

Etc;? Harry has FAR more etc; than Palpy. In the end, the only attack we can use here for Palpy is force lightning, which Harry will easily block or use a shield charm on.

OP states the wand, try to abide the rules. I know you won't and it's only a matter of time until you're arguing that Potter should have all of Hogwarts him.

Force-choke is different than being choked by a hand, son. It's an intangible force. But rightly so, Palpatine can't do it, so it's a moot point.

You're ignoring that Palpatine is faster because of his precog(Vader was/is a Force-user too) and Force-amped abilities, so Potter dies via lightning a second into the fight. /the end.

Originally posted by Robtard
And? Does it say anywhere that he's gotten ride of it?

If a wall(as seen in the films) can block a spell, why can't a sabre block? It could.

The lightning, maybe. How's he going to block the force-attacks that are intangible? He wouldn't know what's coming. it's not like Palpatine words out what he's ablut to use.

Yeah, a kid with a stick and some spells. You silly fanboy.

Was Palpy shown with a saber in ROTJ? Nope, therefore he has no saber here. Might as well give Harry a rail gun.

A wall is a broad object, a saber blade is slim, do the math.

Tell me something, why is Palpy trying to sway Harry to the dark side? Obviously he has knowledge of Harry's powers. Only makes sense that Harry is knowledgeable of Palpys powers. The moment Palpy raises his hands to use force lightning, the shield charm will go up and deflect it.

Try again, try harder, you're making this too easy,

LoL, HP always brings out the worse gimping in you.

Yet many of the spells come out as smallish blast of light, these he could block with a sabre. ie if a solid object can block them, a sabre could. In tanglible spells, sabre couldn't.

Anyhow, see above, Potter dies via lightning a second into the fight; no amount of HP fanbpyism can counter this fact. Palpatine is faster than Potter, he has the Force granting him speed and precog, Potter is just an ordinary boy in these regards.

Because Imp wanted a laugh, that's why.

Also, Potter can block magic with his magic, he's never shown blocking the intangible life-force energy that surrounds all things with a spell.

Originally posted by Robtard
OP states the wand, try to abide the rules. I know you won't and it's only a matter of time until you're arguing that Potter should have all of Hogwarts him.

Force-choke is different than being choked by a hand, son. It's an intangible force. But rightly so, Palpatine can't do it, so it's a moot point.

You're ignoring that Palpatine is faster because of his precog(Vader was/is a Force-user too) and Force-amped abilities, so Potter dies via lightning a second into the fight. /the end.

Hey, I'm going with gimped Harry, change your daiper, it's all good.

Intangible inshangible. Harry can still cast spells while being force choked, dude, non verbal spells. But was Palpy ever shown using force choke? Nope. End force choke argument.

Palpy was never shown killing someone that fast, therefore he can't. But as I said before, the shield charm will be cast as soon as Palpy raises his hands, so really Palpy's only attack here is easily deflected.

Tell me, Rob, what powers did Palpy show in ROTJ? Hmm? Force lightning, small bit of TK, that's it, so that's all he can use here. MVF golden rule, babe. he didn't have a lightsaber, and he NEVER used force choke. Never force pushed or pulled. MVF rules, come on, you can do it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right, and Harry just stands there like a doe in headlights? Dont be stupid, even without his wand, Harry has non verbal spells and jinxes.

And, if they have knowledge of each other, Harry is gonna be on the move from the get go. Accio invisibility cloak, confundus charm, petrificus totalus. See, you have to actually KNOW the HP magic spells to realize Harry wins this, and apparently you dont.

Wait, lemmee guess. no cloak for Harry? More gimping, eh? 🙄

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now it's time for the final nail in Palpy's coffin:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis

After all, Harry should have access to all his spells and potions he is shown using in the movies, yes?

Where in any of the HP movies does Potter use magic without his wand? I dont recall any. What non-verbal spells are you talking about? Polyjuice? Veritas serum? These would not do anything in this fight.

Who said that they have knowledge of each other? I didnt state as such.

Harry has his wand. Palpy has The Dark Side. Period. What difference would his cloak make? Harry is not gimped in any way.

Palpy has Force Lightning. He would have killed Luke had not Vader saved his life. And Luke, in my earnest opinion, would destroy Potter.

Palpatine gives Potter a bit of real lightning to go with the lightning bolt scar on his head.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, I'm going with gimped Harry, change your daiper, it's all good.

Intangible inshangible. Harry can still cast spells while being force choked, dude, non verbal spells. But was Palpy ever shown using force choke? Nope. End force choke argument.

Palpy was never shown killing someone that fast, therefore he can't. But as I said before, the shield charm will be cast as soon as Palpy raises his hands, so really Palpy's only attack here is easily deflected.

Tell me, Rob, what powers did Palpy show in ROTJ? Hmm? Force lightning, small bit of TK, that's it, so that's all he can use here. MVF golden rule, babe. he didn't have a lightsaber, and he NEVER used force choke. Never force pushed or pulled. MVF rules, come on, you can do it.

Potter mainly uses a wand, so Impediment isn't gimping him. You're trying to gimp Palpatine by saying Potter should have everything including the kitchen sink.

You obviously can't read, I said "Palpatine can't force-choke" and I'm going with win via lightning.

Yeah, Potter may last a few seconds or even minutes(doubt it) of being electrified, but he's not casting spells while being fried, son. He'll be too busy screaming and pissing his knickers.

Originally posted by Impediment
Where in any of the HP movies does Potter use magic without his wand? I dont recall any. What non-verbal spells are you talking about? Polyjuice? Veritas serum? These would not do anything in this fight.

Who said that they have knowledge of each other? I didnt state as such.

Harry has his wand. Palpy has The Dark Side. Period. What difference would his cloak make?

Palpy has Force Lightning. He would have killed Luke had not Vader saved his life. And Luke, inm y earnest opinion, would destroy Potter.

The non verbal spell used on the fat ***** at the Dursley's, where she swelled up and floated away.

His cloak would make all the difference in the world. Palpy was never shown onscreen fighting someone invisible, was he? Nope. If he can't see Harry, he can't attack him.

How would ROTJ Luke destroy Harry? Lukes force powers were minimal, he wasnt even a Jedi yet.

Originally posted by Robtard
Potter mainly uses a wand, so Impediment isn't gimping him. You're trying to gimp Palpatine by saying Potter should have everything including the kitchen sink.

You obviously can't read, I said "Palpatine can't force-choke" and I'm going with win via lightning.

Yeah, Potter may last a few seconds or even minutes(doubt it) of being electrified, but he's not casting spells while being fried, son. He'll be too busy screaming and pissing his knickers.

No, I am saying that since Harry cannot use every spell he is shown using onscreen he is gimped. Crucio, man, watch the movies.

Good, no force choke then. I was just driving the point home.

Again, how will force lightning get past a shield charm? Still waiting on an answer to that.

I think the Dodgers are playing.

Because Palpatine can attack with lighting faster(precog/force-speed) than Potter and cast and say "Protego", you silly dodger.

Also, powerful enough spells can get through that shield-spell, so it's possible it may not block Force-lightning from the most powerful Sith Lord. But that's a moot point, as Potter be lite-up and screaming.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because Palpatine can attack with lighting faster(precog/force-speed) than Potter and cast and say "Protego", you silly dodger.

Also, powerful enough spells can get through that shield-spell, so it's possible it may not block Force-lightning from the most powerful Sith Lord. But that's a moot point, as Potter be lite-up and screaming.

Really? And was Palpy SHOWN attacking with such speed in ROTJ? Nope. Harry will have more than enough time to raise a shield charm. Harry casting Protego will take less time than Palpy executing his force lightning, he was SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW in ROTJ. SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Look it up, it means the opposite of fast.

Powerful enough spells can get through a shield charm? Proof of that? Thought not. If powerful enough spells can get through a shield charm, then why did the Death Eaters have to resort to Vanishing cabinets to infiltrate Hogwarts? There's your proof, there's the puddin'. The proof's in the puddin'.

You have absolutely ZERO evidence that Palpy's attacks will penetrate Harry's shield charm, whereas I have screen feats for the shield charms.

Palpy wont be able to do shit when Harry casts Impedimenta on him. He'll have Palpy dancing a jig and singing show tunes.

BTW, Palpy is the most powerful Sith, no question, but Harry took on and Voldemort many times, went toe to toe with him, and finally defeated him, and Voldy would make mincemeat of Palpy.

Bong.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really? And was Palpy SHOWN attacking with such speed in ROTJ? Nope. Harry will have more than enough time to raise a shield charm. Harry casting Protego will take less time than Palpy executing his force lightning, he was SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW in ROTJ. SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Look it up, it means the opposite of fast.

Powerful enough spells can get through a shield charm? Proof of that? Thought not. If powerful enough spells can get through a shield charm, then why did the Death Eaters have to resort to Vanishing cabinets to infiltrate Hogwarts? There's your proof, there's the puddin'. The proof's in the puddin'.

You have absolutely ZERO evidence that Palpy's attacks will penetrate Harry's shield charm, whereas I have screen feats for the shield charms.

Palpy wont be able to do shit when Harry casts Impedimenta on him. He'll have Palpy dancing a jig and singing show tunes.

When Palpatine wants to attack with lightning, it takes him a second to do so, both in the ROTJ and ROTS. He doesn't have to wave a wand and utter a spell. He also has his Force-speed and precog helping him on-top of that as an added(but not needed) plus.

The three curses can get through a shield charm, as per HP-Wiki. But it's a moot point, Potter be fried before he can raise any defense.

Again, Palpatine can attack faster with lightning than Potter can cast a spell, keep ignoring this.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Voldy would make mincemeat of Palpy.

How so?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
BTW, Palpy is the most powerful Sith, no question, but Harry took on and Voldemort many times, went toe to toe with him, and finally defeated him, and Voldy would make mincemeat of Palpy.

Bong.

With you riding the gimp-horse at full trot, Voldemort would beat Palpatine, yes.

Going by screen feats, na.