Emperor Palpatine vs. Harry Potter

Originally posted by Impediment
Prove it. I see no evidence as such.

HP magic has spells that can end ones life in a heartbeat, there are no such force powers in the SW universe. HP wizards can apparate to anywhere in the world, SW force users cannot. It's quite obvious that HP magic is far more powerful than the force.

Having said that, what kept the death eaters and Voldemort out of Hogwarts while Hogwarts was protected by a shield charm?

Originally posted by Impediment
1. The Death Star was in all 3 OT films. The Death Star has a throne room. Case closed, Sherlock.

2, You have proven nothing wrong except you have a serious problem with Harry Potter stroking.

3. I have, in no way gimped Harry Potter. He has his wand, and Palpy has The Force. Accept it. You can do it.

4. I haven't moved any goal posts, as you so immaturely put it. You lack tact when trying to have a fun debate.

5. There have been no screen feats that have "proven anything" that justifies your claim. That is why we are having a debate over it. Nothing is being ignored.

6. I am breaking no rules. You're just butthurt.

7. I would give you an official warning for such inflammatory remarks, but, since I have let people get away with worse (AC, Rob, and Sadako, to name a few) I won't. All I am going to say is don't ever do it again.

8. If you dont like my actions of a moderator, hence the thumbs down, then stay the hell out of the MVF.

Yeah, you let them get away with ALOT of shit, giving them a little tap on the wrist, but now you light into me. Strange. Seems like you had a clear winner in mind when you made this thread. Spite? Just asking.

Whatever, man. I aint getting banned over this bullshit thread, have at it. Apologies if any lines were crossed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, but the throne room was shown ONLY in ROTJ.

Quote me of where I said "ROTJ". I'll wait. No? That's because I never said so. If I wanted to have the setting at The Grand Canyon, it would mean that it wouldn't exist, now would it? The MVF GOlden Rule pertains to onscreen abilities/feats. Location are just locations.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I am in fact a much bigger SW fan than I am HP. I simply can accept that HP magic is light years ahead of SW force powers.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, you forbade Harry from using dark spells and curses. Gimp.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You made the OP in such a fashion that implied ROTJ, now you are changing it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really now? I call it frustration, it's like all the EVIDENCE and ONSCREEN FEATS are going in one ear and out the other. You guys are making it sound like Harry is nothing more than a zit laden tenager with a twig in his hand, the ignorance is amazing. It's OK, I was the same way once, before I educated myself on the HP universe.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just being honest, if you can't take criticism, you shouldn't be a mod. If you are gonna set rules, you also are bound by them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, I was just being honest. Am I an ass for saying what a few others are thinking? You forget that the MVF was originally my idea, man.

In the movies, Harry kept getting owned by dark wizards and only manages to defeat some only when he had backup so what makes you guys think he can defeat the dark lord of the sith? While chanting some long spell, Harry either gets a taste of force lightning or gets decapitated by Palpatine's lightsaber.

Since Palpatine is a man with brains, he'll use the force to pull the wand away from Harry so the boy who lived will be the boy who got owned.

Originally posted by Impediment
Quote me of where I said "ROTJ". I'll wait. No? That's because I never said so. If I wanted to have the setting at The Grand Canyon, it would mean that it wouldn't exist, now would it? The MVF GOlden Rule pertains to onscreen abilities/feats. Location are just locations.

All a matter of opinion, really. HP is magic, whereas SW is technology.

Again: Potter wouldn't ever use these spells because he is pure of heart and would not lower himself by doing so. I would imagine that a big HP fan like you would acknowledge so.

I never implied anything. Again, you are putting words in my mouth. How can anything I said in my OP be construed as ROTJ?

b]What education are we referring to now? JK Rowling's?[/b]

I set my own rules and I did, in fact follow them to the tee. You are putting words in my mouth and juggling my phrases. As far as my Mod actions go, most any other Mod would have slapped a warning on you for such contempt. I'm the coolest mod on this board, and you got some nerve to call me out like you did.

You PM'd me with the idea, I admit. I'm the one who told Raz to make it. I'm the one who volunteered to mod it. Other people are the ones who voiced their opinions and lent support. You think that gives you any kind of leeway? Whatever, man.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sorry, was the Emperor shown being that fast as a crusty old man? Nope.

Too bad we can't gimp him then, right? We have to stick to movie feats, not your gimped interpretations. 😄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Precog was shown time and time again in general to be borderline unreliable.

This does nothing to counter anything I've said. At all.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh really? Then pretell why didnt the death eaters in THBP, you know, the ones that tried crashing through the shield charm surrounding Hogwarts, try casting spells through the shield charm? Hmm? Because NOTHING gets through a shield charm, dude, nothing, not even the force. there, I just proved without a doubt that the force cannot penetrate a shield charm.

Again, this does nothing to counter what I said.

The force does not exist in the Harry Potter Universe. It is certainly not magic, and it definitely isn't a physical/tangible items like flesh and bone.

You've done nothing to prove that it stands up to the force.

None of that matters, though, as Harry Potter is dead before he can even finish uttering an incantation.

Well, I dunno if I should use "a version" of Palpy for this fight. He was younger in the PT, and older in the OT. Some would argue that fact for this fight.

What say you guys?

Originally posted by Impediment
Well, I dunno if I should use "a version" of Palpy for this fight. He was younger in the PT, and older in the OT. Some would argue that fact for this fight.

What say you guys?

Doesn't really matter, all he needs is Force-lightning and he was shown to produce it instantly in either ROTS and ROTJ, he doesn't need to yell out words and wave a stick around for it to happen. So he wins, via lightning.

It's ridiculous to say "Palpatine can't do this or that" in regards to ROTJ, when the same character was shown doing something that is supposed to happen earlier. Like he somehow lost his Force-speed. But some (ie RJ) have to ride the gimp horse to try and angle a win.

dooku was 80 years old and moved fast enough to embarrass a boy in the prime of his life (anakin), yoda is 900 years old and displays more athleticism and speed then any character in the mythos (movie wise). there is absolutely no reason to assume that sideous is in any way shape or form slower or weaker than his younger incarnation. he moves slowly in the older movies because he doesnt really have a reason to not take his time... 😄

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
dooku was 80 years old and moved fast enough to embarrass a boy in the prime of his life (anakin), yoda is 900 years old and displays more athleticism and speed then any character in the mythos (movie wise). there is absolutely no reason to assume that sideous is in any way shape or form slower or weaker than his younger incarnation. he moves slowly in the older movies because he doesnt really have a reason to not take his time... 😄

Well said.

I love how RJ humps screen feats and speaks out against gimping now, despite them being his two major debate techniques previously.

Why tell Imped he's too laid back when previously you used to piss and moan whenever he called you out on the rules you used to break?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really now? I call it frustration, it's like all the EVIDENCE and ONSCREEN FEATS are going in one ear and out the other.

Hahahaha.

Welcome to the feelings of EVERYONE besides you in the Sideswipe Vs Bumblebee thread. Evidence and on-screen feats whooped you in there and you ignored it. What's the deal, is it only allowed when it works for you?

-AC

Sidious > HP

As for Voldemort vs Sidious, I used to think Sidious would own him like a noob, but after watching a few more HP movies again, imo Voldemort is far more powerful.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right, and Harry just stands there like a doe in headlights?

You know, I could point out several points in the movies where he does just that. 😆

But, I like to argue by the same rules I apply.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dont be stupid, even without his wand, Harry has non verbal spells and jinxes.

Oh really?

Name them. 🙂 (I have about 2 in mind, and they don't do anything for Potter.)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And, if they have knowledge of each other, Harry is gonna be on the move from the get go.

That's a problem for Harry, though. Moving is difficult if he's being force choked. Avoiding one of the best lightsaber duelist to have ever existed in all of Star Wars history, and avoiding THE most powerful dark side force wielder are certainly crappy obstacles that a teenage boy will have difficulty with.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Accio invisibility cloak, confundus charm, petrificus totalus. See, you have to actually KNOW the HP magic spells to realize Harry wins this, and apparently you dont.

Wait, lemmee guess. no cloak for Harry? More gimping, eh? 🙄

Wait, so you think Harry Potter has enough time to get off ANY incantations?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now it's time for the final nail in Palpy's coffin:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis

After all, Harry should have access to all his spells and potions he is shown using in the movies, yes?

So, Harry is going to have time to pull out the vile, drink it, and use his super luck to someone defeat Palps?

You do know how absurd that is, right? Harry doesn't have time to do anything except get stabbed, force choked, force pushed so hard his body splatters on the wall behind him, or possibly fall prey to a mind trick.

On top of this, you do know that the Felix Felicis portion works similar to how force powers do...namely mind tricks, and getting lucky against say, a surprise attack. Cept, the force users aren't getting lucky, they are fully anticipating what is happening and simply avoiding and not getting lucky.

You do know that the the potion also has limitations, right? The limitations were mentioned and hinted at in the book. For example, you would not be able to use the luck to ask Dumbledore to kill himself, you couldn't attempt to raise someone from the dead and get lucky enough to succeed, you couldn't fall off of a cliff and survive. But, what it DOES do is increase the dice roll on probabilities such as, walking through a busy street and just happening to walk at the time when your path would avoid every car (maybe), ask a person a question that that person may sometimes answer or not answer (depending) and succeed in getting an answer out of that person (similar to a mind trick, but not quite as a mind trick would be more absolute against most people), etc.

That just entertains the incorrect idea that the luck potion will even be able to be drunk by Harry Potter without ending up in pieces. That simply wouldn't happen. Why would the emperor just stand there and watch Harry Potter go to town casting charms, drinking luck potions, etc?

"Vial" by the way.

"Vile" means disgusting.

Just noticed a lot of people doing that lately.

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
Doesn't really matter, all he needs is Force-lightning and he was shown to produce it instantly in either ROTS and ROTJ, he doesn't need to yell out words and wave a stick around for it to happen. So he wins, via lightning.

It's ridiculous to say "Palpatine can't do this or that" in regards to ROTJ, when the same character was shown doing something that is supposed to happen earlier. Like he somehow lost his Force-speed. But some (ie RJ) have to ride the gimp horse to try and angle a win.

OK, it's ROTJ Palpy. Why? Impediment said "in the throne room."

1. In ANH, we are never shown a throne room. See number three.

2. In ESB, there is no Death Star.

3. In ROTJ, there is a throne room SHOWN onscreen. It is differently designed than the first Death Star, larger and more powerful.

Get it? So no matter how you cut it, we are talking about ROTJ Palpy.

And no, Palpy is never shown doing anything more than throwing force lightning in ROTJ, he had a walking stick FFS, did he have that in ROTS? Nope. Why did he have a walking stick? Because he was old, crusty and slow.

Funny how now you accept force speed, when I can recall several instances where you questioned it. Convenient. Question......Where was this force speed in ROTJ?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love how RJ humps screen feats and speaks out against gimping now, despite them being his two major debate techniques previously.

Why tell Imped he's too laid back when previously you used to piss and moan whenever he called you out on the rules you used to break?

Hahahaha.

Welcome to the feelings of EVERYONE besides you in the Sideswipe Vs Bumblebee thread. Evidence and on-screen feats whooped you in there and you ignored it. What's the deal, is it only allowed when it works for you?

-AC

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
dooku was 80 years old and moved fast enough to embarrass a boy in the prime of his life (anakin), yoda is 900 years old and displays more athleticism and speed then any character in the mythos (movie wise). there is absolutely no reason to assume that sideous is in any way shape or form slower or weaker than his younger incarnation. he moves slowly in the older movies because he doesnt really have a reason to not take his time... 😄

assumptions, pure speculation. he is never shown to be unable to move with force speed, thats all that matters. therefore he can.

absence of proof isnt proof of absence.

Originally posted by Placidity
Sidious > HP

As for Voldemort vs Sidious, I used to think Sidious would own him like a noob, but after watching a few more HP movies again, imo Voldemort is far more powerful.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
assumptions, pure speculation. he is never shown to be unable to move with force speed, thats all that matters. therefore he can.

absence of proof isnt proof of absence.