Superman vs Hercules with a twist

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golem370 Senior Member

Superman vs Hercules with a twist

Alright what if Hercules grew up with the ability to fly as fast as Superman, and was by now a normal ability would he have a better chance against Superman? Superman couldn't use his heat ray or freeze breath. The reason for this is to see if Superman ability to lift stuff has anything to with his strength and would giving Hercules a equal flying ability would close a gap between their strength.

carver9 Senior Member

Hercules would win because the advantage superman had over him was his flight and speed.

Herc is a better brawler by a large gap than Supes.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Hercules would win because the advantage superman had over him was his flight and speed.

Herc is a better brawler by a large gap than Supes.


Brawler as in wrestler, yes. Fight, NO! Superman has years of training under Batman, WW, and many others. The fact that he was able to beat another Military and high ranked Kryptonian Officer in a few hits shows that.

Don't forget that Superman is still stronger, and more durable. Unless of course you got evidence to prove your claim.

What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques
and soo much more

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Brawler as in wrestler, yes. Fight, NO! Superman has years of training under Batman, WW, and many others. The fact that he was able to beat another Military and high ranked Kryptonian Officer in a few hits shows that.

Don't forget that Superman is still stronger, and more durable. Unless of course you got evidence to prove your claim.

What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques
and soo much more

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Brawler as in wrestler, yes. Fight, NO! Superman has years of training under Batman, WW, and many others. The fact that he was able to beat another Military and high ranked Kryptonian Officer in a few hits shows that.

Don't forget that Superman is still stronger, and more durable. Unless of course you got evidence to prove your claim.

What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques
and soo much more

Overall I agree but there are a two things I disagree with, at least for this very matchup. It's the term "Power" and "Versatility" please define "power" and his versatility would be gone by taken away HV and freeze breath wouldn't it? Or the rest that makes him versatile is useless against Herc for example super hearing, X-Ray Vision etc.

Bentley Seitei

This could go split, I give Herc more fighting skill under his belt but Supes has him pinned in durability, heat vision and all around versatility.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Brawler as in wrestler, yes. Fight, NO! Superman has years of training under Batman, WW, and many others. The fact that he was able to beat another Military and high ranked Kryptonian Officer in a few hits shows that.

Don't forget that Superman is still stronger, and more durable. Unless of course you got evidence to prove your claim.

What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques
and soo much more

😕

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Overall I agree but there are a two things I disagree with, at least for this very matchup. It's the term "Power" and "Versatility" please define "power" and his versatility would be gone by taken away HV and freeze breath wouldn't it? Or the rest that makes him versatile is useless against Herc for example super hearing, X-Ray Vision etc.

No, I am not talking about this thread. I was replying to his post.

He said he gave Superman the win because Superman was only Faster and have the ability to fly. Yet, he didn't acknowledge that Superman was better in every category

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by Bentley
This could go split, I give Herc more fighting skill under his belt but Supes has him pinned in durability, heat vision and all around versatility.

Heat vision and ice breath is taken away in this battle.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, I am not talking about this thread. I was replying to his post.

He said he gave Superman the win because Superman was only Faster and have the ability to fly. Yet, he didn't acknowledge that Superman was better in every category

oh ok

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, I am not talking about this thread. I was replying to his post.

He said he gave Superman the win because Superman was only Faster and have the ability to fly. Yet, he didn't acknowledge that Superman was better in every category

Strength is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY debatable. Piercing damage, I agree, Supes has herc beat, blunt force trama is about equal.

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Brawler as in wrestler, yes. Fight, NO! Superman has years of training under Batman, WW, and many others. The fact that he was able to beat another Military and high ranked Kryptonian Officer in a few hits shows that.

Don't forget that Superman is still stronger, and more durable. Unless of course you got evidence to prove your claim.

What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques
and soo much more

Strength no, Techniques no.

And to be fair he was able to take down the Kyrptonian officer because he is far more experienced with his powers and how to use them.

If you need evidence Hercules held the entire planet Earth before, as his Labors have been canonized.

As for technique just because you train with people doesn't mean you are as good as them. Herc as trained with Captain America, Wolverine etc. along with some of the greatest classical fighters such as Achillies, Ajax.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Strength is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY debatable. Piercing damage, I agree, Supes has herc beat, blunt force trama is about equal.

No, it's not. Post scans of Herc and I will counter it

Strength no, Techniques no. And to be fair he was able to take down the Kyrptonian officer because he is far more experienced with his powers and how to use them. If you need evidence Hercules held the entire planet Earth before, as his Labors have been canonized. As for technique just because you train with people doesn't mean you are as good as them. Herc as trained with Captain America, Wolverine etc. along with

Superman made that claim about the powers like Sense, HV, CB, Flight..etc. Techniques and power has nothing to do with it, especially since Superman didn't use strength to beat the Kryptonian.

As I said, Herc is probably a better wrestler, but fighter, he has no feats and I am not assuming he is good. I have feats and statement. You only have a statement.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, it's not. Post scans of Herc and I will counter it

Superman made that claim about the powers like Sense, HV, CB, Flight..etc. Techniques and power has nothing to do with it, especially since Superman didn't use strength to beat the Kryptonian.

As I said, Herc is probably a better wrestler, but fighter, he has no feats and I am not assuming he is good. I have feats and statement. You only have a statement.

WTF

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by xJLxKing

Superman made that claim about the powers like Sense, HV, CB, Flight..etc. Techniques and power has nothing to do with it, especially since Superman didn't use strength to beat the Kryptonian.

As I said, Herc is probably a better wrestler, but fighter, he has no feats and I am not assuming he is good. I have feats and statement. You only have a statement.

No he made that claim in general to all his abilities including his strength, speed, and overall skill with using his powers. Hence why he was showcased not using only his heatvision to destroy targets but also using his speed with it to make it an incredible feat. Also I believe Superman made direct mention that he was stronger due to having been exposed to sunlight longer.

As for technique Herc can stalemate Thor in H2H who does have impressive skill feats.

As for feats lets face it Superman is still no batman in skill no matter how much you want to push it. Not saying Herc is either but to say Superman is better is a falsity considering who Herc has fought.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Well, I guess you can't prove your case.
So do you need me to ask you again.

Let's see. You claimed that reason why you give Superman the win over Herc is because of Speed and Flight

Then prove how Hercules is better in these categories
What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by Newjak
No he made that claim in general to all his abilities including his strength, speed, and overall skill with using his powers. Hence why he was showcased not using only his heatvision to destroy targets but also using his speed with it to make it an incredible feat. Also I believe Superman made direct mention that he was stronger due to having been exposed to sunlight longer.

As for technique Herc can stalemate Thor in H2H who does have impressive skill feats.

As for feats lets face it Superman is still no batman in skill no matter how much you want to push it. Not saying Herc is either but to say Superman is better is a falsity considering who Herc has fought.


Superman is stronger, but he never claimed it in World Of New Krypton
Superman made the claim that they couldn't use their powers as good as him, but that DOES NOT mean anything because
1- Superman didn't use powers to beat that Officer
2- Superman only used techniques
3- The fight was not a struggle over who was stronger, but better.

Thor is not as impressive in H2H as Superman. Though, he is good. Yet, you no one feat does not mean everything. You still need more, why? Because Superman has more

bbrem123 Senior Member

show us then

xJLxKing Senior Member

It's easier for me to counter them. Since after all, your side of the argument claimed it first

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman is stronger, but he never claimed it in World Of New Krypton
Superman made the claim that they couldn't use their powers as good as him, but that DOES NOT mean anything because
1- Superman didn't use powers to beat that Officer
2- Superman only used techniques
3- The fight was not a struggle over who was stronger, but better.

Thor is not as impressive in H2H as Superman. Though, he is good. Yet, you no one feat does not mean everything. You still need more, why? Because Superman has more

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No offense but if superman is stronger which you already agree on then no matter what he will have an edge over the officer he fought which lends to him maybe not having as good skill as the officer. Not to mention we don't know just how skilled that officer is. I doubt he is on the level of a Thor or Hercules yet you will give that as a reason for superman being more skilled.

As to your idea Thor could have just as easily dispatched that Officer, Hercules as well.

Now as for Thor vs Superman H2H that is a can of worms I will not open even though I believe Thor to be superior I'll at least acknowledge a comparability there.