Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually the onus to post proof is on you in this particular instance. See Carver said that Supes's advantages were flight and speed which is obviously true and no one questions that point, you're the one who said that Supes was also stronger and more durable and that's the point that's being argued. You're asking for proof of a negative because you're wanting others to prove your claim(that Supes is stronger and more durable) wrong.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
No.
To have an advantage, you'd have to be stronger then somebody in a particular category like flight, speed..etc
When he claimed Superman was Faster, he also implied that Herc was just as strong, durable, versatile..etc
Originally posted by darthgooberSuperman can slam his hand in the watchtower and knock the moon out of orbit accidentally.
They're both recognized as top tier's in strength, them being approximately equal in strength is reasonable and too subjective to actually prove. On the other hand, Saying that one of them is definitely above the other is the kind of thing that needs definitive proof. Supes isn't automatically stronger than anyone he faces until proved otherwise...
Got any comparable feats for Herc not from the 60s and 70s as those showings are in no way indicitive of current portrayals of the characters?
Originally posted by darthgoober
They're both recognized as top tier's in strength, them being approximately equal in strength is reasonable and too subjective to actually prove. On the other hand, Saying that one of them is definitely above the other is the kind of thing that needs definitive proof. Supes isn't automatically stronger than anyone he faces until proved otherwise...
Yes, they are top tier, but Superman(obviously) has more feats on his shoulder which are more superior, why shouldn't I believe Superman wins this
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman can slam his hand in the watchtower and knock the moon out of orbit accidentally.Got any comparable feats for Herc not from the 60s and 70s as those showings are in no way indicitive of current portrayals of the characters?
Scans? I recall reading this, but seeing it again should help put it in perspective.
Oh and Thor/Hercules arm wrestling apparently produce enough force to knock the planet out of orbit. They aren't even touching the planet physically. Taking into account how much bigger the Earth is than the moon, and the fact that Hercules was producing about half of that force, makes it a deal more impressive to me.
Why are feats from the 60's and 70's not valid again? Unless a character is significantly weakened like say Odin, then they are pretty damn valid. Especially for someone like Hercules, who hasn't had his own series until recently, and his earlier carrier consisted of guest appearances mostly in Thor.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman can slam his hand in the watchtower and knock the moon out of orbit accidentally.Got any comparable feats for Herc not from the 60s and 70s as those showings are in no way indicitive of current portrayals of the characters?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I never said definitely. All I said is, Superman is stronger. I would counter his claim had he post some sort of proof. He didn'tYes, they are top tier, but Superman(obviously) has more feats on his shoulder which are more superior, why shouldn't I believe Superman wins this
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scans? I recall reading this, but seeing it again should help put it in perspective.Oh and Thor/Hercules arm wrestling apparently produce enough force to knock the planet out of orbit. They aren't even touching the planet physically. Taking into account how much bigger the Earth is than the moon, and the fact that Hercules was producing about half of that force, makes it a deal more impressive to me.
Why are feats from the 60's and 70's not valid again? Unless a character is significantly weakened like say Odin, then they are pretty damn valid. Especially for someone like Hercules, who hasn't had his own series until recently, and his earlier carrier consisted of guest appearances mostly in Thor.
You're welcome to believe that Supes is stronger and more durable than Herc. I wasn't faulting your opinion, I was just pointing out that you were the one making a claim that needed to be supported. You basically used the logic that since Carver believed Herc to be Supes's equal but didn't post proof it automatically meant that Supes was stronger.
Otherwise he should have said, Superman wins because of his flight despite the fact that he is stronger, more durable..etc, or something like that.
Because he didn't post anything near that, I took it as him trying to claim that Herc is just as strong as Superman, just as durable..etc. This is why I asked for proof
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus60's and 70's feats aren't valid because they simply aren't current and accurate depictions of the characters, which is what the rules suggest we use in threads.
Scans? I recall reading this, but seeing it again should help put it in perspective.Oh and Thor/Hercules arm wrestling apparently produce enough force to knock the planet out of orbit. They aren't even touching the planet physically. Taking into account how much bigger the Earth is than the moon, and the fact that Hercules was producing about half of that force, makes it a deal more impressive to me.
Why are feats from the 60's and 70's not valid again? Unless a character is significantly weakened like say Odin, then they are pretty damn valid. Especially for someone like Hercules, who hasn't had his own series until recently, and his earlier carrier consisted of guest appearances mostly in Thor.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
What? No!
Listen, when someone claims that the only reason why Superman wins is because of Flight and Speed, then they are pretty much saying that either
1- The other powers are all equal EXCEPT flight and speedOR
2- Powers like strength, durability..etc will not play a role in the fightOtherwise he should have said, Superman wins because of his flight despite the fact that he is stronger, more durable..etc, or something like that.
Because he didn't post anything near that, I took it as him trying to claim that Herc is just as strong as Superman, just as durable..etc. This is why I asked for proof
Dude do you remember your first post on the topic...
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Brawler as in wrestler, yes. Fight, NO! Superman has years of training under Batman, WW, and many others. The fact that he was able to beat another Military and high ranked Kryptonian Officer in a few hits shows that.Don't forget that Superman is still stronger, and more durable. Unless of course you got evidence to prove your claim.
What gave Superman the advantage is
Speed
Strength
Power
Versatility
Intelligence
Durability
Techiniques
and soo much more
Again, it's reasonable to assume that two top tiers like Supes and Herc are on par with each other strength wise, but to actually claim that one is stronger is the kind of thing that requires proof. That's why I said that the onus is on you to prove that Supes is stronger rather than it being on Carver to prove that Herc's as strong. After all Carver can't prove that Herc's as strong unless there's something from Supes on the table to compare it to. Now if you had posted a feat of Supes's to establish why you think Supes's strength is superior then it would be on Carver to post one from Herc to match it.
Originally posted by Juntai
You mean putting his hands into the sky and standing there?
I need something a little more physical mass to it.
Originally posted by darthgoober👆
Dude do you remember your first post on the topic...Again, it's reasonable to assume that two top tiers like Supes and Herc are on par with each other strength wise, but to actually claim that one is stronger is the kind of thing that requires proof. That's why I said that the onus is on you to prove that Supes is stronger rather than it being on Carver to prove that Herc's as strong. After all Carver can't prove that Herc's as strong unless there's something from Supes on the table to compare it to. Now if you had posted a feat of Supes's to establish why you think Supes's strength is superior then it would be on Carver to post one from Herc to match it.