Superman Vs Thor vs SS vs Marvel Who's more Durable

Originally posted by h1a8
Nothing I've said was false. If you think so then attempt to prove it then.
And what happens in comics isn't always valid, especially since we have the PIS rule.

Second, Surfer surviving in a black hole was never attributed to the powers you said.

Third, Surfer is the only person in Marvel that has had a couple fights with Hulk where he has never been so much as harmed by Hulk. Thor has.
You saying everybody but Surfer can take Hulk's hits is fairly ignorant.

Forth, ya Thor went into the core of the sun (stated). You think Atum lives in the halfway in portion of the sun?

Fifth, so, basically just because you don't think Thor can survive in the sun, he can't? There is no basis here, and I suggest you at the very least checking out his respect thread (also, look at Surfer's).

Sixth, Surfer has flown straight through the sun and has felt refreshed. Hell, I don't think that's the only time either. Actually, I think he also flew through one with Drax (who has ripped the core out of a smaller sun when Drax was in his weakest form ever).
BTW, when Supes went into the core of the sun, he went crazy and you could see his skeleton...

Seventh, Surfer has already survived a super nova... it was one of his first appearances actually.

8th, they can all survive Thanos' blasts easily? Thanos one shotted Surfer the first time they met. Thanos two shotted Thor in his weakest appearance. Thanos is more powerful than he was back then. And if either of these guys take the blast that Galactus took, they aren't staying awake.
And, yes, it's both of them.

9th, why do Superman and Thor get the pass when neither of them have survived a planet exploding (or in Supes' case, stayed awake in the closest he came)? You know who has survived a planet explosion? Surfer. Hell, his body was also made into the centre of a planet by Korvac... And no he doesn't have to be amped.
And if Superman can take a planet explosion, then why can't Billy?

10th, if you read the original crisis, then you know nobody here is surviving the anti-matter wave.

Ya, that probably covers why you're wrong. Never know though, with this wiinternet and all.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Why does it seem that the standard response to someone who has a different opinion than you on KMC is "you obviously don't read comics" (italics indicates pretension and unwarranted arrogance)? Honestly, I don't see what insulting someone anonymously on the internet simply because they have a different point of view accomplishes. 😬

Originally posted by TheKahn
Why does it seem that the standard response to someone who has a different opinion than you on KMC is "you obviously don't read comics" (italics indicates pretension and unwarranted arrogance)? Honestly, I don't see what insulting someone anonymously on the internet simply because they have a different point of view accomplishes. 😬

This isnt about having a different opinion, its about h1a8s legendary trolling. From things like superman being more than a billion times as strong as thor to claims that thanos is a pillow man who is not even bulletproof, etc. Further h1 has admitted to having read very few comics in his life,especially marvel ( about 10 thor comics by his count, and zero other marvel comics). Even those few he has read he simply ignores or claims PIS, even though he hasnt read enough of the character in the first place to know what PIS would even constitute.

Having serious minded differing opinions is nice and dandy and is what the forum is about. Idiocy and recalcitrance however are not.

7. Super Nova ground zero - Thor and CM stop
8. A year in a Black Hole - SS and Supes stop

Originally posted by Blanket
First off, I'm fairly certain that black holes don't contain solar energy... because you know, the whole destroying energy title they have...

Second, Surfer surviving in a black hole was never attributed to the powers you said.[/B][/QUOTE]How do you know? Because it wasn't mentioned? That doesn't prove anything. It is clear that on average much smaller forces damage SS. SS surviving in a legitimate black hole can only be attributed to his power set, not durability. Otherwise it is PIS.

Third, Surfer is the only person in Marvel that has had a couple fights with Hulk where he has never been so much as harmed by Hulk. Thor has.
You saying everybody but Surfer can take Hulk's hits is fairly ignorant.

Forth, ya Thor went into the core of the sun (stated). You think Atum lives in the halfway in portion of the sun?

Fifth, so, basically just because you don't think Thor can survive in the sun, he can't? There is no basis here, and I suggest you at the very least checking out his respect thread (also, look at Surfer's).

Sixth, Surfer has flown straight through the sun and has felt refreshed. Hell, I don't think that's the only time either. Actually, I think he also flew through one with Drax (who has ripped the core out of a smaller sun when Drax was in his weakest form ever).
BTW, when Supes went into the core of the sun, he went crazy and you could see his skeleton...

Seventh, Surfer has already survived a super nova... it was one of his first appearances actually.

8th, they can all survive Thanos' blasts easily? Thanos one shotted Surfer the first time they met. Thanos two shotted Thor in his weakest appearance. Thanos is more powerful than he was back then. And if either of these guys take the blast that Galactus took, they aren't staying awake.

And, yes, it's both of them.

9th, why do Superman and Thor get the pass when neither of them have survived a planet exploding (or in Supes' case, stayed awake in the closest he came)? You know who has survived a planet explosion? Surfer. Hell, his body was also made into the centre of a planet by Korvac... And no he doesn't have to be amped.

And if Superman can take a planet explosion, then why can't Billy?

10th, if you read the original crisis, then you know nobody here is surviving the anti-matter wave.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Why does it seem that the standard response to someone who has a different opinion than you on KMC is "you obviously don't read comics" (italics indicates pretension and unwarranted arrogance)? Honestly, I don't see what insulting someone anonymously on the internet simply because they have a different point of view accomplishes. 😬

Originally posted by Naija boy
This isnt about having a different opinion, its about h1a8s legendary trolling. From things like superman being more than a billion times as strong as thor based off best feats to claims that thanos is a pillow man who is not even bulletproof, etc. Further h1 has admitted to having read very few comics in his life,especially marvel ( about 10 thor comics by his count, and zero other marvel comics). Even those few he has read he simply ignores or claims PIS, even though he hasnt read enough of the character in the first place to know what PIS would even constitute.

Having serious minded differing opinions is nice and dandy and is what the forum is about. Idiocy and recalcitrance however are not.

I fixed your statement a little ("...based on best feats). Also I have read plenty of Marvel and D.C. comics and I have glanced through even more of them than you can imagine. Of course Thanos isn't a pillow man. 😆
I view him this way though (a tough pillow man that is) because writers had bone wolverine pierce him easily. I know it wasn't canon. But what writer's think had some limited effect on how I form my opinions. All I know is that Logan's claws would have broken if he struck Superman instead (guaranteed fact.) Thus Superman is more durable than Thanos (in my eyes). What I'm trying to say is that A is more durable than B if

B has a low showing below the possibility of what A can have. This is my logic, like it or not, I see it as sound.

superman........

now close the thread

Originally posted by h1a8
I fixed your statement a little ("...based on best feats). Also I have read plenty of Marvel and D.C. comics and I have glanced through even more of them than you can imagine. Of course Thanos isn't a pillow man. 😆
I view him this way though (a tough pillow man that is) because writers had bone wolverine pierce him easily. I know it wasn't canon. But what writer's think had some limited effect on how I form my opinions. All I know is that Logan's claws would have broken if he struck Superman instead (guaranteed fact.) Thus Superman is more durable than Thanos (in my eyes). What I'm trying to say is that A is more durable than B if

B has a low showing below the possibility of what A can have. This is my logic, like it or not, I see it as sound.

Surfer is the most durable imo.

Superman is the most durable.

Well, I'm not quoting your post, but I will respond.

1st, you implied they contained solar energy, which warranted a response since you brought it up since it was a big factor... duh.

2nd, Well no shit that I say that because it wasn't mentioned, why the hell else do you think I should say this? I'm not into ass sumptions like you are, and claiming EVERYTHING is PIS when I don't like it.

3rd, actually, if you learned how to read, I said that Surfer is the ONLY person who has more than one fight with Hulk who has been unnaffected (not counting Planet Hulk), and you post said that everyone walks away unharmed except Surfer. Do you not see a problem here?

4th, Hulk said he hit Surfer with all his strength and was really surprised Surfer was unharmed. Bannerless freaked out Hulk was stomping on Surfer's head to no effect. Hulk just turning Hulk has hurt Thor pretty bad. It's not hard even for you to see which one's worse.

5th, I like how you claim absolutely everything good for Surfer or Thor is pis, and then bring up the bullshit of Warrior Madness Thor vs the IW (which also contains Thanos, like your later point entails). BTW, even saying this is a perfectly written fight, I hope even you can see the difference between's Hulk's fists and a severely pissed off Thor wrapping his hammer in energy.

6th, it said he went to the core, and this goes back to my 'halfway in' response. And assuming it's a magical shield is an assumption... which you're clearly full of when it comes to low balling Marvel/high balling Superman.
Also, there goes the pis wagon again. I have no reason why it's pis, but believe you me, it's pis (suprisingly akin to your posts).

7th, Oh, OK. You don't like it, it didn't happen. Even though I gave you three... four other examples of people going into or through suns in comics. I don't know why you think this is such a good feat in comics, or impossible, when comics say it's a walk in the park.

8th, how do you explain Surfer feeling refreshed then after going through one? He's still feeling the pressure, flying through one or not... the heat. And how can you totally override the fact that he goes through suns to feel better... again?
There we go with the pis excuse again. And you'll be glad to know he didn't do it with the PG, he did it at his classic skinny form. 🙂

9th, what does it matter how close he was if the feat is pis anyway? This is like the 5th time you've claimed pis, yet you use examples of Thor KO'ing Surfer, and Superman 'breaking a planet'? Are you seriously that bias that you can't accept any good feat that Surfer does? I suggest this a reason for hating him so much, and also, it explains why you troll so much.
BTW, to answer your question, I believe he was like a mile away from it (far closer than Supes was when he KTFO'd by one). Again, he's the only one who has taken one uninjured here.

10th, I don't remember them exploding the planet. And if what I'm told is true, then they were doing that because they were connected to it. And I don't recall them being damageless either.
Unamped Surfer however, blew up a planet by himself. Stood at ground zero, and had absolutely no effect on him. Classic Surfer not amping himself was made into a planet himself (gravity increased, rocks flew to him, he was the centre of it) by Korvac, and simply busted out with no damage. You adding in the words 'unamped' is just another example of you downgraded a character you know nothing about.

11th, You changed you mind on Thor... and if he did do it, it's pis... lol.
Beta Ray Bill has survived multiple planet explosions... Thor's equal. 😐
And how do you figure Superman, Surfer (well, not Surfer I guess), outweigh Thor that much that they (Superman) can take a planet expoding to no effect, but claim Thor can't? Also, funny you bring up moon sized explosions when Superman is in the thread...
Seriously, think.

12th, OK, OK, and potentially Billy is as powerful as Shazam. Potential.
Also, we are talking about Captain Marvel, the kid trapped inside a man's body when we talk about basically 'holding back', aren't we?
BTW, even going with the mental blocks approach, did you see that in the opening post? That Superman achieves 'dynamic strength' levels for this thread? Because 'dynamic' strength is the only way he really showcases he's above Billy strength wise.

13th, I realize you made no opinion. I just found it funny that you didn't really know about it since it's involved in the most prominent story in DC history.

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You thought I forgot the Thanos part didn't you?
You know, the funny thing is that not a lot have taken Thanos' blasts and been OK afterwards... and that's when he's not trying. I don't know how you got that SS has taken them though, since he's not looking too good when he does, or has taken that one. And there you go with that PIS shit again... simply claiming anything you don't understand is PIS, when you have no idea what happened, or what has happened to either Surfer or Thanos throughout their history together and apart.

Two shotted implies they were out of the fight. The next time we see Thor, he's on his hands and knees, and is saved by Warlock... against the weakest Thanos in history... due to eyeblasts.

Galactus also weighs enough to have never have that done to him before... his armor was also scratched up and he was severely pissed. If you think all it did was push him, then you're just in for the low ball.
BTW, out of those two properties (since those are all that ever exist) concussive is always dealt to Galactus... never with the result Thanos achieved.

But anyway, here's some more feats for you to scream pis on:
He seemingly evaporated Mar-Vell with a blast.
One shotted Thing.
A low level clone one shotted Hulk.
One shot tore in half an Iron Man/Thanos clone that Gamora was terrified of.
Was hurting WM PG Thor.
Overpowering Maker
Destroyed the Punisher robots easily (these things used to fight Classic Surfer and give him troubles... Thanos fought lots of them at once).
ETC.

All of those feats are pis though, and Thanos is easy stuff.

Originally posted by h1a8
I fixed your statement a little ("...based on best feats). Also I have read plenty of Marvel and D.C. comics and I have glanced through even more of them than you can imagine. Of course Thanos isn't a pillow man. 😆
I view him this way though (a tough pillow man that is) because writers had bone wolverine pierce him easily. I know it wasn't canon. But what writer's think had some limited effect on how I form my opinions. All I know is that Logan's claws would have broken if he struck Superman instead (guaranteed fact.) Thus Superman is more durable than Thanos (in my eyes). What I'm trying to say is that A is more durable than B if

B has a low showing below the possibility of what A can have. This is my logic, like it or not, I see it as sound.

Also, Venom was beating Superman in a crossover = lower than canon or non canon feats of Thanos.

Anyway, just two more things.
Surfer flew into the heart of a sun to cleanse his soul before. That answers the core part.

And it never said how far the gigantic sun exploding super-nova was away from Surfer. Still didn't do anything to him though.

Goku kills them.

Originally posted by Blanket
wut

Also, Venom was beating Superman in a crossover = lower than canon or non canon feats of Thanos.

Thor,Superman, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel Billy

1. Cyclops Full Optic blast - All are injured pretty bad but they are awake (Surfer wont feel it)
2. 20 punches from WWhulk- Superman/Captain Marvel are koed on the 4th punch. Thor drops on the 8th and Surfer remains awake (probably thor remains awake also)
3. Megaton Nuke ground zero- All survive.
4. Goku's ss3 kamehameha 😉- All of them are dead at none Super sayain goku Kamehameha except Silver Surfer
5. Planet explosion- Thor and Surfer
6. Sun Core-All of them except Captain Marvel
7. Super Nova ground zero-All of them die instantly except Surfer (he survives with a smile).
8. A year in a Black Hole- Surfer survives
9. Full Blast from Thanos and Darkseid(no OBP)-Darkseid isnt needed, thanos one shot all of them.
10. Anti-Matter Wave - none survive this

Originally posted by Blanket

1st, you implied they contained solar energy, which warranted a response since you brought it up since it was a big factor... duh.

...claiming EVERYTHING is PIS when I don't like it.

3rd, actually, if you learned how to read, I said that Surfer is the ONLY person who has more than one fight with Hulk who has been unnaffected (not counting Planet Hulk), and you post said that everyone walks away unharmed except Surfer. Do you not see a problem here?

4th, Hulk said he hit Surfer with all his strength and was really surprised Surfer was unharmed. Bannerless freaked out Hulk was stomping on Surfer's head to no effect. Hulk just turning Hulk has hurt Thor pretty bad. It's not hard even for you to see which one's worse.

5th, I like how you claim absolutely everything good for Surfer or Thor is pis, and then bring up the bullshit of Warrior Madness Thor vs the IW (which also contains Thanos, like your later point entails). BTW, even saying this is a perfectly written fight, I hope even you can see the difference between's Hulk's fists and a severely pissed off Thor wrapping his hammer in energy.

6th, it said he went to the core, and this goes back to my 'halfway in' response. And assuming it's a magical shield is an assumption... which you're clearly full of when it comes to low balling Marvel/high balling Superman.
Also, there goes the pis wagon again. I have no reason why it's pis, but believe you me, it's pis (suprisingly akin to your posts).

7th, Oh, OK. You don't like it, it didn't happen. Even though I gave you three... four other examples of people going into or through suns in comics. I don't know why you think this is such a good feat in comics, or impossible, when comics say it's a walk in the park.

8th, how do you explain Surfer feeling refreshed then after going through one? He's still feeling the pressure, flying through one or not... the heat. And how can you totally override the fact that he goes through suns to feel better... again?
There we go with the pis excuse again. And you'll be glad to know he didn't do it with the PG, he did it at his classic skinny form. 🙂

9th, what does it matter how close he was if the feat is pis anyway? This is like the 5th time you've claimed pis, yet you use examples of Thor KO'ing Surfer, and Superman 'breaking a planet'? Are you seriously that bias that you can't accept any good feat that Surfer does? I suggest this a reason for hating him so much, and also, it explains why you troll so much.
BTW, to answer your question, I believe he was like a mile away from it (far closer than Supes was when he KTFO'd by one). Again, he's the only one who has taken one uninjured here.

Superman breaking a planet due to only shockwaves is PIS to me. Yes even Superman himself has done some PISSing things before. Thor koing Surfer seems fine. The strength of Thor's hammer strikes (not slams) seems to match the hits of a very enraged Hulk. Yet Hulk couldn't affect SS and Thor can? Either PIS or that Hulk wasn't as strong. Also it isn't PIS if SS was sufficiently away from the supernova. A mile is too close, unless SS phased.

10th, I don't remember them exploding the planet. And if what I'm told is true, then they were doing that because they were connected to it. And I don't recall them being damageless either.
Unamped Surfer however, blew up a planet by himself. Stood at ground zero, and had absolutely no effect on him. Classic Surfer not amping himself was made into a planet himself (gravity increased, rocks flew to him, he was the centre of it) by Korvac, and simply busted out with no damage. You adding in the words 'unamped' is just another example of you downgraded a character you know nothing about.

11th, You changed you mind on Thor... and if he did do it, it's pis... lol.
Beta Ray Bill has survived multiple planet explosions... Thor's equal. 😐
And how do you figure Superman, Surfer (well, not Surfer I guess), outweigh Thor that much that they (Superman) can take a planet expoding to no effect, but claim Thor can't? Also, funny you bring up moon sized explosions when Superman is in the thread...
Seriously, think.

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You thought I forgot the Thanos part didn't you?
You know, the funny thing is that not a lot have taken Thanos' blasts and been OK afterwards... and that's when he's not trying. I don't know how you got that SS has taken them though, since he's not looking too good when he does, or has taken that one. And there you go with that PIS shit again... simply claiming anything you don't understand is PIS, when you have no idea what happened, or what has happened to either Surfer or Thanos throughout their history together and apart.

Two shotted implies they were out of the fight. The next time we see Thor, he's on his hands and knees, and is saved by Warlock... against the weakest Thanos in history... due to eyeblasts.

Galactus also weighs enough to have never have that done to him before... his armor was also scratched up and he was severely pissed. If you think all it did was push him, then you're just in for the low ball.
BTW, out of those two properties (since those are all that ever exist) concussive is always dealt to Galactus... never with the result Thanos achieved.
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But anyway, here's some more feats for you to scream pis on:
He seemingly evaporated Mar-Vell with a blast.
One shotted Thing.
A low level clone one shotted Hulk.
One shot tore in half an Iron Man/Thanos clone that Gamora was terrified of.
Was hurting WM PG Thor.
Overpowering Maker
Destroyed the Punisher robots easily (these things used to fight Classic Surfer and give him troubles... Thanos fought lots of them at once).
ETC.

All of those feats are pis though, and Thanos is easy stuff.

Originally posted by Blanket
wut

Also, Venom was beating Superman in a crossover = lower than canon or non canon feats of Thanos.

Thanos getting cut up by bone claws is weaker. Plus Venon was a lot more powerful than his normal self due to some universal transformation.

Originally posted by Blanket
Anyway, just two more things.
Surfer flew into the heart of a sun to cleanse his soul before. That answers the core part.

And it never said how far the gigantic sun exploding super-nova was away from Surfer. Still didn't do anything to him though.

Well if SS stayed in the core for more than 3 seconds then he was either manipulating the gravity and pressure or he was phased. Otherwise, it is PIS.