Originally posted by -Pr-Well, my brothers are headstrong and lack meaningful debating skills, yet they know characters, but i bring something far more to the table.. Pleased to meet you Pr. It will be my pleasure to debate you and others.
a lot of people on these boards have been banned over the years (though it's rarely me that does it personally).
Originally posted by BentleyI will get back to you on the hotter than the sun thing. I need to go and check other characters with hotter than the sun heat vision and see if they ever fried a team. But i cannot show scans of any member of the team taking such heat because they have never been hit with such heat.
Heat vision is stated to be hotter than the sun. Could you please show me any scan of these characters standing those temperatures?No you can't. As far as super speed fighting from Superman, there is a very good respect thread, just go there and check it.
If Hulk can overheat Rulk someone with actual heat powers will do it easily.
Originally posted by -Pr-I am not saying he won't try especially in this scenario. I think bfr definitely becomes a stronger possibility when the odds are increased against the character.
except, superman has bfr'd people on multiple occasions when people were in danger/it suited him.
I just don't seem him having his way with everyone in time before he's overwhelmed.
Originally posted by BentleyRulk's a joke?
This team is a joke, speed and heat vision take most of them out in the first second.Herc cannot win this all in his solitude! (speed owns)
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying he won't try especially in this scenario. I think bfr definitely becomes a stronger possibility when the odds are increased against the character.I just don't seem him having his way with everyone in time before he's overwhelmed.
Rulk's a joke?
why not? he's certainly fast enough.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk's a joke?
In a sense. 😉
However, I already addressed that he got overheated by Hulk who has no heat powers or whatsoever, so hotter than the sun heat vision is an easy way to get read of him. Were speed and HV less of a factor in this battle, Rulk would be one of the most important cornerstones to absolutely stomp Supes here.
But under the stipulations, if Supes wants to win, he does.
Originally posted by BentleyHe drained all of the Hulk's powers and has owned him before so and directly after wards.
In a sense. 😉However, I already addressed that he got overheated by Hulk who has no heat powers or whatsoever, so hotter than the sun heat vision is an easy way to get read of him. Were speed and HV less of a factor in this battle, Rulk would be one of the most important cornerstones to absolutely stomp Supes here.
But under the stipulations, if Supes wants to win, he does.
He has absorbed the Surfer's powers and killed him in a heartbeat.
I guess iyo Glads can easily beat this guy since your probe to take hyperbole into account here. Rulk getting overheated doesn't mean he fears the Human Torch. He was angry and that's why he overheated. Hulk gains strength I thought from anger while it actually hinders Rulk.
Originally posted by -Pr-Because he has been beaten many times by far weaker characters and less powerful opponents. We have Namor, Ulik, Rulk, Herc, Atlas, etc. plus a whole lot of canon fodder.
why not? he's certainly fast enough.
Originally posted by -Pr-Kalibak , Mantis, and shadow demons have beaten him. DD has been more than enough to occupy Superman before as has Orion,BA, and Marvel.
what far weaker characters have actually beaten him and taken him out of a fight completely?
I see it happening like in hunter prey with Superman being a little more effective but being overwhelmed.
Originally posted by RIVER-OF-POWER
The team will be fighting at the best of their abilities as will superman.. I dont see superman as the winner in this contest.. My brother warned me about you and others, so either bring proof or debate how your said character will win without using words such as rookie when you answer my posts.. If you need a few comics to get scans to back up your claims, i will be more than happy to send you a few of our 1000+ superman,JLA comics. I may be a (rookie) on this site, but my knowledge on superman far surpass yours.. Either debate with proof or stay away from my posts. Thank you kindly.
Debate with proof? First of all your post had 0 proof in it. You say Superman lost to someone weaker that the people on the list but failed to mention who or show the scans. Second, you hinted at low PIS feats as evidence when PIS goes against the rules and characters must fight at their best ability.
Even if the team fight at their best ability that wouldn't make most of them able to fly or have faster than light reflexes. Superman fighting at his best can bfr most of them anytime he wants.
You may or may not have 1000+ Superman comics but you certainly didn't read many to say the things you've said. Either that or you are just bias towards Marvel (or bias against Superman) and failed to understand forum rules.
And lastly, proof is a strong word. A great deal of the time proof can't be offered, only evidence. I always attempt to offer evidence or proof in every claim I make. It is usually more or less in the reasoning or science of a feat though. If I offer a claim without evidence then either the claim is fairly trivial based off known feats or I will upon request. I will not fail to offer evidence or proof if someone asks me to.
Now that you know, learn me from yourself and not someone else. You may actually like me or you may still hate me. But at least see for yourself and don't go blindly what others tell you. Many have told me about another only to find that the other was actually cool and nothing like what people said.
Originally posted by h1a8Then show me superman removing members of a fighting team at said speed. Then allow me to see him utilizing faster than light reflexes. Last yet not least, show me where he freezes or hv like characters such as the ones hes fighting here. By the way, i judge a person by what they say and not by what anyone else tells me, yet your answers on other superman battle threads tells me all i need to know ( i checked up on you ).. And how do you assume that i hate you? You may be cool.
Debate with proof? First of all your post had 0 proof in it. You say Superman lost to someone weaker that the people on the list but failed to mention who or show the scans. Second, you hinted at low PIS feats as evidence when PIS goes against the rules and characters must fight at their best ability.Even if the team fight at their best ability that wouldn't make most of them able to fly or have faster than light reflexes. Superman fighting at his best can bfr most of them anytime he wants.
You may or may not have 1000+ Superman comics but you certainly didn't read many to say the things you've said. Either that or you are just bias towards Marvel (or bias against Superman) and failed to understand forum rules.
And lastly, proof is a strong word. A great deal of the time proof can't be offered, only evidence. I always attempt to offer evidence or proof in every claim I make. It is usually more or less in the reasoning or science of a feat though. If I offer a claim without evidence then either the claim is fairly trivial based off known feats or I will upon request. I will not fail to offer evidence or proof if someone asks me to.
Now that you know, learn me from yourself and not someone else. You may actually like me or you may still hate me. But at least see for yourself and don't go blindly what others tell you. Many have told me about another only to find that the other was actually cool and nothing like what people said.
Ok, now this. Even if a character is assumed to be able to perform said feats, shall we throw out the other events that will be taking place as the attacking character launch his/her attack? There are 17 against 1. I7 different attacks taking place. What kind of attacks is debatable. but it is known what superman as 1 person will be doing, he will do well, but i just dont see him in the winners circle.
Originally posted by RIVER-OF-POWER
Then show me superman removing members of a fighting team at said speed. Then allow me to see him utilizing faster than light reflexes. Last yet not least, show me where he freezes or hv like characters such as the ones hes fighting here. By the way, i judge a person by what they say and not by what anyone else tells me, yet your answers on other superman battle threads tells me all i need to know ( i checked up on you ).. And how do you assume that i hate you? You may be cool.Ok, now this. Even if a character is assumed to be able to perform said feats, shall we throw out the other events that will be taking place as the attacking character launch his/her attack? There are 17 against 1. I7 different attacks taking place. What kind of attacks is debatable. but it is known what superman as 1 person will be doing, he will do well, but i just dont see him in the winners circle.
Are you implying Superman can't do it or that he won't because of CIS?
I understand many members here go by actual comic fights as their majority deciding factor and not necessarily what would really happen if a character had certain powers and a certain level of intelligence and morality (a forum fight) . Spider-man IMO is too powerful for nearly all street level and mid tier enemies. The mere fact that he has 40x reflexes, super speed and strength, and pre-cog makes it unfair. The only way the writers can usually give a challenge to Spidey is to sometimes ignore some of his powers (mostly spider sense and reflexes). Because dodging a hail of machine gun fire while cracking jokes and dodging laser beams before they are fired contradicts well you know what.
I clash with many members sometimes because I like to use real world science maybe a little too much. I feel I'm forced to because of my background and that this whole comic debating stuff would be nonsense to me if I didn't.
But if Superman can move at least light speed then most definitely most members on the team will be statues to him. If not, then they will definitely appear to be moving in slow motion to Superman. Superman after all has picked a barrage of bullets out of the air like Neo and saved Lois (or Jimmy) after hearing the shot of a gun that she/he was fired upon from close range while being miles away.
Yes characters in comics have their good showings and their contradicting low ones. But in a forum fight it is nonsensical to assume that a character's ability will be randomly changing. This is why the forum rules suggest that characters MUST fight to their best ability. We can't have spider-man at one moment with his spider sense dodging a hail of bullets and 2 seconds later not have it and get shot in the head.
Welcome to KMC River. I will strive to be non bias with you (and other members) and listen carefully to your arguments and try my best to be objective yet fair.