Superman vs. team

Originally posted by h1a8
Are you implying Superman can't do it or that he won't because of CIS?

I understand many members here go by actual comic fights as their majority deciding factor and not necessarily what would really happen if a character had certain powers and a certain level of intelligence and morality (a forum fight) . Spider-man IMO is too powerful for nearly all street level and mid tier enemies. The mere fact that he has 40x reflexes, super speed and strength, and pre-cog makes it unfair. The only way the writers can usually give a challenge to Spidey is to sometimes ignore some of his powers (mostly spider sense and reflexes). Because dodging a hail of machine gun fire while cracking jokes and dodging laser beams before they are fired contradicts well you know what.

I clash with many members sometimes because I like to use real world science maybe a little too much. I feel I'm forced to because of my background and that this whole comic debating stuff would be nonsense to me if I didn't.

But if Superman can move at least light speed then most definitely most members on the team will be statues to him. If not, then they will definitely appear to be moving in slow motion to Superman. Superman after all has picked a barrage of bullets out of the air like Neo and saved Lois (or Jimmy) after hearing the shot of a gun that she/he was fired upon from close range while being miles away.

Yes characters in comics have their good showings and their contradicting low ones. But in a forum fight it is nonsensical to assume that a character's ability will be randomly changing. This is why the forum rules suggest that characters MUST fight to their best ability. We can't have spider-man at one moment with his spider sense dodging a hail of bullets and 2 seconds later not have it and get shot in the head.

Welcome to KMC River. I will strive to be non bias with you (and other members) and listen carefully to your arguments and try my best to be objective yet fair.

superman breaking the sound barrier or dive bombing the field disorients or takes out most of these opponents, he can BFR them easily with one hit, the ones that can fly aren't powerful enough to challenge him for extended time.

red hulk has no chance, he was put down when he was stabbed in the neck by a knife, he only beat a thor who wasn't trying and a young silver surfer by draining his energy, none of these characters really have strength feats to compete with superman's. he takes this easily.

superman may get into slug fights one on one or when he is trying to get his opponent to yield, against a team where his only goal is victory though, he will take them out fairly quickly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kalibak , Mantis, and shadow demons have beaten him. DD has been more than enough to occupy Superman before as has Orion,BA, and Marvel.

I see it happening like in hunter prey with Superman being a little more effective but being overwhelmed.

when have kalibak and mantis completely ko'd him and removed him from a fight?

you're saying the majority of guys on this field are > dd, adam, cm and orion?

Originally posted by -Pr-
when have kalibak and mantis completely ko'd him and removed him from a fight?

you're saying the majority of guys on this field are > dd, adam, cm and orion?

I am saying combined they are. Supes usually has his hands full with one of these guys but putting a team like this against him and expecting a fight is only if Superman goes against the comics and how he is portrayed normally.

I think DD gets overrated as well. Jurgens also said he's take Superman against him at 95 percent power level and at the time of the fight it's not saying much about DD.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was at their mercy at the time Orion showed up.

I am saying combined they are. Supes usually has his hands full with one of these guys but putting a team like this against him and expecting a fight is only if Superman goes against the comics and how he is portrayed normally.

I think DD gets overrated as well. Jurgens also said he's take Superman against him at 95 percent power level and at the time of the fight it's not saying much about DD.

not this again. do i really need to go through DOTNG again? i thought you were better than this. shame on me, i guess.

but he wouldn't be going against the comics at all. if he had to fight a team of those men, he'd use his speed, which he does when he fights almost every group he fights.

dd isn't the same animal he was when jurgens wrote him.

LOL on how superman fans rely on supermans speed blitzing to win every fight

OR a Wide Range of FB and HV. Then again, I like Blitz more because it pisses you off.

Its true, though to be fair thats just as much a DC thing as it is Supes. Every fight he blitzes, anyone he cant blitz he throws into the sun. Pretty mindless debating.

Originally posted by -Pr-
not this again. do i really need to go through DOTNG again? i thought you were better than this. shame on me, i guess.

but he wouldn't be going against the comics at all. if he had to fight a team of those men, he'd use his speed, which he does when he fights almost every group he fights.

dd isn't the same animal he was when jurgens wrote him.

I am not saying he can't or wouldn't use his speed I am saying with a group this size he gets caught, eventually.

I know Jurgens is just one writer's point of view but most on here hold hp DD to another standard and his own writer claimed Superman minus the moral constraints and his upbringing at 95 percent power level would be favored against this specific DD. This is the same DD Superman couldn't avoid using his speed and ranged attacks against a foe who cannot fly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know the key word you were going to tell me was a "lucky" punch but a punch that did damage it was nonetheless. You didn't change my opinion then nor will you now.

I am not saying he can't or wouldn't use his speed I am saying with a group this size he gets caught, eventually.

I know Jurgens is just one writer's point of view but most on here hold hp DD to another standard and his own writer claimed Superman minus the moral constraints and his upbringing at 95 percent power level would be favored against this specific DD. This is the same DD Superman couldn't avoid using his speed and ranged attacks against a foe who cannot fly.

except, i was right then, and i'm right now. 😬

by who? the last guy standing? he's hundreds if not thousands of times faster than pretty much everyone here. if he's blitzed everyone else, what is one or two guys going to do?

superman back then wasn't nearly as fast as he is now.

Supes stomps.

team...com on...the combination of Rulk, Herc, Thor (even that weaker version), Vision and Classic Wonderman would be enough

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can Superman win if he fights smart? Definitely. He's strong enough and fast enough to completely wipe the floor with this bunch.

The problem is his tendency to get in to a fist fight, especially against people he's never fought before.

👆

Rulk just got owned by Wolverine, Loebs pile of crap creation is a pathetic joke.

Supes is not getting hurt by Logan.

Wolverine > Watcher, OF Thor and Grandmaster obviously...🙂

Originally posted by -Pr-
except, i was right then, and i'm right now. 😬

by who? the last guy standing? he's hundreds if not thousands of times faster than pretty much everyone here. if he's blitzed everyone else, what is one or two guys going to do?

superman back then wasn't nearly as fast as he is now.

Ok, I can see this is getting us nowhere. Give me the best team of villains Superman ever cropdusted while using his speed.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Rulk just got owned by Wolverine, Loebs pile of crap creation is a pathetic joke.

Supes is not getting hurt by Logan.

I guess Firelord is a pile of crap for losing to Spiderman. I guess Surfer is just a piece of trash for BP, eh?

Wolverine also hurt Thanos by the way. He is made of unbreakable skeleton and a very popular character so I don't see the harm in it really.