Originally posted by shiv
k. not sure I qualify as a pro doom person but for what its worthbook doom jobbs. forum doom doesn't
also Dr Doom - (pis & hubris)
is equal toDoom + (pis & hubris)
I don't think it's a matter of jobbing. Wonder Woman's many times stronger and faster than him and one of the most skilled combatants on the planet, without prep isn't that a really sure win?
^ First, Diana doesn't wtfomgsuperspeedblitz at the beginning of battles. In fact, she almost exclusively uses her superspeed for defensive purposes. Second, Diana's "huge magic resistance" won't negate her being BFR'ed into the past or somehow allow her to break the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak. Third, Diana's got nothing that will one-shot Doom as Wonderwoman is no Sentry.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ First, Diana doesn't wtfomgsuperspeedblitz at the beginning of battles. In fact, she almost exclusively uses her superspeed for defensive purposes. Second, Diana's "huge magic resistance" won't negate her being BFR'ed into the past or somehow allow her to break the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak. Third, Diana's got nothing that will one-shot Doom as Wonderwoman is no Sentry.
Over the past three years or so of comics, Diana has used her speed in a more aggressive manner than in previous incarnations (though she does still primarily use it defensively), and Diana's lasso is the key to "one-shot" almost anyone; the lasso doesn't just force a lassoed being to speak/understand Truth, but also renders them incapable of acting in any real manner, particularly in terms of battle. If she can get the lasso on him (which, granted, is not a definite, as he could have possible defenses, though the lasso bypasses many types of protection), then it's either over, or he is held long enough for her to beat him into unconciousness. And even amped Doom doesn't have the immediate power to BFR her as a definite (just as her lassoing him isn't an automatic given).
I still stand with my original odds:
Spontaneous fight - WW 10/10
Prep/Time - DD 8/10 (keep in mind that means Diana has prep, as well, and I still firmly believe Doom would own her most of the time with prep, even with her preped, as well).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Third, Diana's got nothing that will one-shot Doom as Wonderwoman is no Sentry.
So the main argument is massive underestimating of her abilities. She's a smidge below Superman. Doom's at Iron Man level.
It's also not like she's going to be caught by surprise by magic/is going to sit back and let him cast, she has some pretty powerful magic users as enemies and the lasso can be used to stop that from going on.
Doom needs prep.
Tony has also conceded that Doom's armor and understanding of tech is beyond his.
IMO, it's actually pretty even based on feats and showings. Doom w/o prep doesn't exist; he's prepared for pretty much anything on hand thanks to his suit and his magic. Either one is more than capable of besting the other one-on-one in a random encounter. Giving Doom actual time to prepare makes it spite.
Originally posted by Blanket
I like how you're questioning people's rating of WW, and then claim Doom is Iron Man level...Doom's basic suit is Extremis Iron Man level, but then you equate in magic...
Uh, I did say "Am I missing something?" earlier and didn't get much elaboration.
Tony's taken down Doom's suit with his pre-Extremis suits. So has Thing.
Even Extremis is < WW by a fair amount, of course.
My problem is people aren't actually saying why Doom's winning, they're just saying he does.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
IMO, it's actually pretty even based on feats and showings.
Seriously? Because I don't see Dr. Doom going toe-to-toe with Superman or Captain Marvel any time soon, which Diana's done on a good half-dozen + occasions.
Did I miss a powerup where he *massively* improved his gear or something?
Doom w/o prep doesn't exist; he's prepared for pretty much anything on hand thanks to his suit and his magic.
He has his standard bag of tricks, but then he has really prepped of going to his lab and whipping up something specifically.
Either one is more than capable of besting the other one-on-one in a random encounter.
Uh, again, am I missing something? The suit's no-where near WW level last time I checked, and Diana can face down godly level magic. One of her most common foes is a millenia-old magic user.
Has Doom ever gone toe-to-toe with Thor, Gladiator, etc.? With just what he has on hand? To the best of my knowledge, he has not, and if he had reason to, he always brings a lot more than just his armor and standard capabilities.
Tony has also conceded that Doom's armor and understanding of tech is beyond his.
More specifically he's conceded that Doom's understanding of tech is beyond his and if Doom spent as much time as him on armor he *could* make one much beyond him, but because Tony's so much more focused the Doom suit doesn't outmatch the Iron Man one particularly.
Originally posted by Q99
Did I miss a powerup where he *massively* improved his gear or something?He has his standard bag of tricks, but then he has really prepped of going to his lab and whipping up something specifically.
Uh, again, am I missing something? The suit's no-where near WW level last time I checked, and Diana can face down godly level magic. One of her most common foes is a millenia-old magic user.
Recently with the Marquis of Death, it is revelead that Doom is now atleast a mid level reality manipulator that can easily traverse dimensions, kill watchers, (did I say he could warp reality?)... doom WTF stomps WW as if she was ****ing fly.
But if you want to use NOT THE CURRENT DOOM which is against forum rules but apparently nobody cares. SO yeah if were gonna break forum rules..WW can beat Doom in a random encounter.