Hogwarts magic versus The Force....

Accio pwns force pulling a wand. A wizard can Accio an item from anywhere, they only need to know it's general location.......

....... And have a wand. Remember? Which is kinda the point.

Wizards can teleport. Wizards can fly. Wizards can split their soul into seven pieces. Time travel, dude.

EU terms? Jedi can and have done all of those things (one-upping the soul-split but not technically matching it)

Movie terms. Jedi can predict and deal with teleport. Jedi can shoot, lightsaber throw, Force-pwn wizards on brooms. Jedi can pwn all Voldemorts souls. Time-travel isn't actually useful (thats why Voldemort never travelled back and killed Dumbles or anything).

Originally posted by Nephthys
....... And have a wand. Remember? Which is kinda the point.

EU terms? Jedi can and have done all of those things (one-upping the soul-split but not technically matching it)

Movie terms. Jedi can predict and deal with teleport. Jedi can shoot, lightsaber throw, Force-pwn wizards on brooms. Jedi can pwn all Voldemorts souls. Time-travel isn't actually useful (thats why Voldemort never travelled back and killed Dumbles or anything).

Accio does not require a wand, nor do a shitload of spells.

This is not a fight thread, this is a thread about which power is more powerful. The Jedi cannot teleport, cannot fly, cannot split their soul into seven pieces, cannot time travel, the force does not allow this.

Accio does not require a wand, nor do a shitload of spells.

On-screen proof?

This is not a fight thread, this is a thread about which power is more powerful. The Jedi cannot teleport, cannot fly, cannot split their soul into seven pieces, cannot time travel, the force does not allow this.

What is power? Since this is the versus forum I assumed you were speaking of personal, combat-orientated power. But if you aren't then clarify. Magic may be more versatile, but the Force ups it in a fight.

And not only can Jedi do those things (in EU), but they don't need to do those things most of the time. And they can counter them. Really I don't see why your bringing them up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
On-screen proof?

What is power? Since this is the versus forum I assumed you were speaking of personal, combat-orientated power. But if you aren't then clarify. Magic may be more versatile, but the Force ups it in a fight.

And not only can Jedi do those things (in EU), but they don't need to do those things most of the time. And they can counter them. Really I don't see why your bringing them up.

In the graveyard battle in GOF he accios the triwizards cup.

Let me ask you this. You are to take over the world. Who would you rather have at your side? Sidious or Voldemort?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dumbledore couldnt what? Fly? Dudem dont be stupid.

Nah, if it is shown, said or implied onscreen, it is law. MVF golden rule, babe.

So Sidious was slicker than snail snot, so what? Doesn;t take away the fact that Dumbledore can do far more than he can, as can Voldemort.

So there were sparks from the bolt hitting his armor. Plus the fact that we can literally see the bolt hitting his hand. 2-0, me.

Yoda was right all the time, eh? He never made a wrong decision? Is that your final answer?

Nope. I didnt say that. Read again. Give yourself more time to digest the words.

Not if theyre taken out by a suborbital strike force/shot to death/forced to death by Sidious or the others etc etc etc , they cant.

Yes...... 2 more failures on your record.

Nope. And it like your 1st atrociously missed point, is not what I said at all. Its not even ANY answer Ive given. Let alone my final one....Jesus.
Read it again, slowly and just think about what I said. Its simple.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Of course Vader used the force to deflect that bolt.. If all armour was like that, the rebels wouldnt have been able to kill all them stormies....again, pretty rudimentary stuff, RJ.

Fly..? Thats what speeders, speeder bikes, fighters, starships etc etc are for. And jetpacks are in the SW universe too. But on the force side: Massive force jumps. And yes Mace flew RIIIIGHT out that window in ROTS, propelled by the force. The force gave mass damage soak and ability top survive falling massive distances too.

Teleport: With Jedi speed, hyperspace etc thats all well covered.

The death Star superlaser would split any wizard's "soul" into more than seven pieces. 🙂
The death star was built by a man who got himself into a position to do so by using and manipulating the force.

With Force sight. All past present and any future are all accessable to the force user.
Precog for the win.
Way more useful than time travel (Where you can't change things within a single time line anyways) in fighting an enemy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dumbledore couldnt. It would be a paradox. Next.

Thats an unsubstantiated claim thuis far, the pwning power of the charm you speak of. I sense much fear in you.
If you want charm, then it is outcharmed by Lando "Smooth motherfu*ka" Calrissian, Im afraid.

Sure the deathstar was a machine, but a testament to Palpatines using the force and forsight enough to create an Empire and wipe out the Jedi when the force and the galaxy with it swung to the darksiiiiiiiiiiiide.

Yoda was right about virtually everything throughout the entire saga, and then you pick up on something elderly, sick Yoda said and now you try to rape him with it.
Yeesssss. Try to rape his pooper, you do.... Shame on you.

So there were sparks... And...?

excellent words

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. I didnt say that. Read again. Give yourself more time to digest the words.

Not if theyre taken out by a suborbital strike force/shot to death/forced to death by Sidious or the others etc etc etc , they cant.

Yes...... 2 more failures on your record.

Nope. And it like your 1st atrociously missed point, is not what I said at all. Its not even ANY answer Ive given. Let alone my final one....Jesus.
Read it again, slowly and just think about what I said. Its simple.

Questions for you:

Can Jedi teleport?
Can Jedi fly hundreds of feet in the air at speeds of close to 200 mph?
Can Jedi time travel?
Can Jedi split their soul into seven pieces?

No more bullshit, just answer each question in turn.

In ROTS, didn't Palpatine mention about a Sith that was powerful enough to use the Force to create life?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
In ROTS, didn't Palpatine mention about a Sith that was powerful enough to use the Force to create life?

In the graveyard battle in GOF he accios the triwizards cup.

Does he?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPBkcMNnwX4

Watch at the end. He used a wand. Weep.

Let me ask you this. You are to take over the world. Who would you rather have at your side? Sidious or Voldemort?

Sidious. Voldemort is a moron and Sid's mind-powers etc are much more useful. And he could better protect me.

Questions for you:

Can Jedi teleport?
Can Jedi fly hundreds of feet in the air at speeds of close to 200 mph?
Can Jedi time travel?
Can Jedi split their soul into seven pieces?

No more bullshit, just answer each question in turn.

Yes.
Yes, but I don't know how fast
Yes.
No, but they can survive death, come back, possess people infinately etc.

To prevent death, and he was just jacking with Anakins mind, turning him slowly.

Remember when Shmi Skywalker said that Anakin had no father? There was a reason. Plagious created him with the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Does he?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPBkcMNnwX4

Watch at the end. He used a wand. Weep.

Sidious. Voldemort is a moron and Sid's mind-powers etc are much more useful. [b]And he could better protect me. [/B]

You got me there, I coulda sworn he used no wand. Still, there are a shitload of spells that do not require a wand, I simply named the wrong one.

Voldemort is an moron? Explain that, this oughta be good. Sidious wouldnt protect you, you know better.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sidious wouldnt protect you, you know better.

That's true. Instead, the guy will just hire Boba Fett and we all know he's a more better bodyguard.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
That's true. Instead, the guy will just hire Boba Fett and we all know he's a more better bodyguard.

You got me there, I coulda sworn he used no wand. Still, there are a shitload of spells that do not require a wand, I simply named the wrong one.

I can think of one possible one: Fiendfyre. And even then he had a wand in his hand so we don't know if he can do it without it.

Voldemort is an moron? Explain that, this oughta be good. Sidious wouldnt protect you, you know better.

I was assuming he would for the scenario, it being which master of their specific powers is the best. And Voldemort had plenty of chances to kill the boy specifically prophecised to kill him. That he didn't is just him being a moron. The worst Sidious does is trust that an emotionally-crushed complete monster of a man who strangled his own wife and killed little children wouldn't object to him torturing his son. Even then he comes back to life.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I can think of one possible one: Fiendfyre. And even then he had a wand in his hand so we don't know if he can do it without it.

I was assuming he would for the scenario, it being which master of their specific powers is the best. And Voldemort had plenty of chances to kill the boy specifically prophecised to kill him. That he didn't is just him being a moron. The worst Sidious does is trust that an emotionally-crushed complete monster of a man who strangled his own wife and killed little children wouldn't object to him torturing his son. Even then he comes back to life.

Confundus. Engorgio. Arresto Momentum. Oppugno.

Voldy had alot of pride, he let that get in his way, no doubt there. But no more than Palpy had.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes.
Yes, but I don't know how fast
Yes.
No, but they can survive death, come back, possess people infinately etc.

No, they cant teleport, when did they teleport? In what movie?

No, they cannot fly on their own power, what movie did they do this in?

No, the Jedi cannot time travel, what movie did they do this in?

No, no Hedi or Sith ever did that, in what movie?

Remember when Shmi Skywalker said that Anakin had no father? There was a reason. Plagious created him with the Force.

And if what you say is true, it was done once by one character.

You never said it had to be in the movies. I was just replying that they can actually do it. And the Jedi survive death as Force ghosts.

And the Force isn't sentient (in the movies), so it can't willingly create something.

It proves that the Force can do something Magic cannot.

This is the MVF, it's implied.

K, so the force created life. Magic can prevent death. Stalemate?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And the Force isn't sentient (in the movies), so it can't willingly create something.

the Force can do something Magic cannot.

But Palpatine said Plagieus used the Force to create life and if he said that in the movie, doesn't it mean that it happened in the movie universe?

Look less lame?