Hogwarts magic versus The Force....

Originally posted by dadudemon
He certainly did. Watch it again, take notes, and get back to me. I'm not going to tell you, this time. You have to figure it out, then admit you were wrong.

He sure did. Watch the video again and get back to me.

Also, to further destroy what you think are any level of good points, fire weighs close to nothing. It certainly would be quite easy to control. Futhermore,, teehee, fiendfyre is QUITE slow. I don't need to get into why that's even a relevant point, do I?

How does it feel to have my e-cock deep into your e-butt, with no lube?

Hey, when did Yoda or any other Jedi display a wide enough TK attack to block a wall of fiendfyre? You gonna answer that?

I know you wont, because the answer proves he cant.

😄

Nite nite.

One more thing. A Jedi is facing a wall of flame, just regular fire. It is thirty feet high and 50 feet wide, and it is bearing down on him. He does a force push. Nothing in the movies indicate that the entire wall of flame would stop. Nothing was ever shown that implied that a Jedi can adjust the radius of his force push from, let's say one foot to 20 feet. All this talk about how a Jedi can stop an entire wall of fiendfyre is rubbish without proof that a Jedi can decide how wide his force attack will be.

Instance one: Yoda lifted several tonnes of X-wing in ESB. Either he is ridiculously powerful to support all that weight in a small hold AND balance it correctly or he spread the pressure (whtevr) to make the job easier.

Instance two: Yoda spins a senate pod While supporting its entire weight. To do this would require he spreads his hold enough to spin the thing.

Instance three: While not directly spreading the burst Vader crushes multiple objects through the application of a Force Scream. A concentrated effort could easily cover the necessary area to stop something a pitiful as a flame.

Good morning.

Susie Peepants....Youre still dodging my question.

Therefore despite all your insistances you're just a wizard fingering, truth denying, reality avoiding, Star Wars gimping, Harry licking, trollidiot. 🙂

Gooooooooooooooooood DAYYYYYY to you, sirrrrrrrr. 🙂

The force is an all-powerful all-encompassing energy that, when wielded properly can be more destructive than the Death Star. Harry Potter Magis is magic, it is greatly powerful but does not have near the destructive capabilities seen in the force.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
The Force obviously. You can levitate things, choke people, do a mind trick on your foes without chanting some long ass sentence to make something happen while waving a wand. In a fight, you definitely want to go with the Force. Take this for example, if a guy fired a bullet at you, you can just raise your hand and the bullet would stop in mid air but if you go with Hogwarts magic while chanting something, that bullet is gonna go right in your cranium before you can say a third word in your chant.

That's not entirely true, most of these "long ass sentences" as you call them are 1-2 words. And the spells can be done without saying anything, it just takes more training.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Who knows? Problem there is the wizards are Earthbound.

Well...We do...Have they projected powers beyond the confines of the earth or further in the HP films?....If not then they can't because it's not an on screen feat.

See...Easy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, and can this tech track teleporting wizards? Nope.

I guess that would depend on how the teleportation works. I'd say that if it means exiting space/time then probably not. If it means staying within the same space/time then in all likelyhood yes.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One more thing. A Jedi is facing a wall of flame, just regular fire. It is thirty feet high and 50 feet wide, and it is bearing down on him. He does a force push. Nothing in the movies indicate that the entire wall of flame would stop. Nothing was ever shown that implied that a Jedi can adjust the radius of his force push from, let's say one foot to 20 feet. All this talk about how a Jedi can stop an entire wall of fiendfyre is rubbish without proof that a Jedi can decide how wide his force attack will be.

Now, the scene where Yoda grabs the pillar to save Obi Wan and Anakin in AOTC is not a good example. Yoda could have been focusing his force power on the center of the solid object, therefore holding the entire pillar in the air.

In the battle of Dantooine, Mace Windu forced pushed a full 360 degrees around him. Pushing back hundreds of super battle droids. He also, while landing from a force jump, manages to do a force push poweful enough to blast about 50 super battledroids away and causing a crater in the ground....The he slides along the ground and simeltaneously force crushes the heads of 8 droids. He uses force TK to protect himself from the shock wave from a seismic tank that blows away battle droids and clones alike.

In attack of the clones Yoda stopped several seperate large pieces of cave roof from collapsing on himself

Kit Fisto force grabbed and threw 7 enemies at the same time. He also used the force to redirect 4 torpedoes at one back towards the enemy. He also created a force bubble about 5ft wide then smashed through an enemy vehicle like a wrecking ball.

Assaj Ventress was able to force push 2 enemies coming from 2 different directions at once.

Obi wan managed to force block a continued streak of projectiles. Straight after that what does he force block?...A constant stream of FIRE. A short while later he force blocks with his hand, several laser shots from a droideka.

Then he force pushes out in all directions while inside an enemy in order to explode it from the inside out.

There's a lot more feats besides these too.

I know you're going to repond with the completely predictable line of "not in the movies" even though some of them actually are. The difference between these examples and some of the things you try to argue is that these are actually on screen feats from the canon story line. You, on the other hand, take what happens on screen in the HP films and then extrapolate it into the completely hypothetical...Giving people abilities they have never shown on screen in any context. Simply by saying...Well he/she does this so he/she must be able to do that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I said that about VADER, man.

No you didn't, you said that about ANY Jedi. You said that no Jedi grabs more than one object at a time when we were talking about the Wizards possibly outnumbering the Jedi. I said that the Jedi could grab and hold multiple Death Eaters. You then said your b.s. about a Jedi grabbing only one object at a time. I then countered with Vader grabbing multiple objects in ESB, and throwing them at Luke. You then said that you only see one at a time. I said that they were flying in so quickly and successively, and from multiple directions, that there was no one it could

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also, you said he grabbed the multiple objects while saving Obi Wan, He didnt.

He did. He came to save Obi Wan and Anakin. Dooku was attacking Yoda, but Yoda's whole presence there was saving Obi and Ani, erog, he grabbed multiple objects when he came to save Obi. Also, he did grabe multiple objects: he spread out his force TK in a flat area, "grabbed" three objects, and threw them after he was done.

That particular scene proves your wrong about multiple things on multiple levels. More on this later.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And? When is it implied that he adjusted the radius of the force? It wasnt. He didnt. And again, no way near enough to force push a wall of fiendfyre.

Radius, huh? This incorrectly assumes that the force TK is only applied as a circle or sphere. That's incorrect. Screen feats prove it.

Also, he applied his force TK in a plane. He adjusted the size and area of his force TK. In other words, he did. And, it's waaaaay more than enough to force push a 6 foot wall of fire. 😐 Not that fiendfyre exists in the movies, yet, cause it doesn't. Besides, why would he force push fiendfyre when he could force push the ground it was on or force push the ball of the fire right after it is thrown? You do know that it is REALLY slow, don't you?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Keep it coming!!!.

SPLOOOOOOOOOOGE!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They might be, but the fact of the matter is that Yoda never, not ever, never, displayed TK in such a manner to stop fiendfyre.

Never.

That means, you know.......not ever.

So what did we learn?

They are. And Yoda did, so did Obi. So did Qui Gon and any other force user that used force TK on more than one dissimilarly shaped object.

We learned that you didn't pay attention to any of the star wars films when you watched them, multiple times, are giving powers and abilities that did not exist onscree for the wizards, and are calling a fire spell "fiendfyre" when fiendfyre didn't even exist until Deathly Hallows, which is not a movie out, yet.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Horseshit. he raised his hands, grunted, and held the rocks in place. Stop reading more into it than there was.

Stop discredting something that was done clearly onscreen that everyone else can see, but you. (I think you just refuse to acknowledge it, but know exactly what I'm talking about.)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I most certainly did not, your entire argument here is crap.

You did. You pwned yourself with that vid.

"I think you just refuse to acknowledge it, but know exactly what I'm talking about."

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I ask one last time.....when has any Jedi been shown TKing a wide enough area to force push a wall of fiendfyre surrounding him?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I proved more than adequately that the size and even the shape of TK can be adjusted.

2. You are doing one of two things:

a) You simply don't see what I'm talking about
b) You see it, refuse to admit it, and are wasting everyone's time so you don't have to admit that you're wrong.

3. Fiendfyre has NEVER been a 100ft wall. EVER. Not in the books, not in the movies. In fact, Fiendfyre does not exist in the movies, yet. Like I said, you've damaged your credability as an HP source.

4. I rested my case after proving your wrong. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Never. Thats my whole point, and you keep dodging it. Also theres no proof that Yoda adjusted anything, more second guessing and speculation. 'Hey, it looks like he did this." No proof, just what you WANT to see.

That may be your point, but it's definitely wrong. I never dodged, unlike that lame and slow fiendfyre spell you think is godly.

And, there's more than enough evidence that not only Yoda adjusted the size and shape of TK, but any other force user that used TK on two dissimilarly shaped objects.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, we are right back where we started, with no movie footage that proves a Jedi cannot block a wall of fiendfyre.

We are only back right where we started because you refuse to admit where you were wrong,

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, when did Yoda or any other Jedi display a wide enough TK attack to block a wall of fiendfyre? You gonna answer that?

I know you wont, because the answer proves he cant.

😄

Nite nite.

I did. Multiple times. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Instance one: Yoda lifted several tonnes of X-wing in ESB. Either he is ridiculously powerful to support all that weight in a small hold AND balance it correctly or he spread the pressure (whtevr) to make the job easier.

Instance two: Yoda spins a senate pod [b]While supporting its entire weight. To do this would require he spreads his hold enough to spin the thing.

Instance three: While not directly spreading the burst Vader crushes multiple objects through the application of a Force Scream. A concentrated effort could easily cover the necessary area to stop something a pitiful as a flame.

Good morning. [/B]

Damn it. How dare you tell RJ what I wanted him to admit to. hahahahahaha

I was hoping RJ would notice this type of thing, and admit it. Since you've ruined my plans of forcing (lulz, pun) RJ to admit that not only the size is adjust, but the shape as well. 😄

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Gooooooooooooooooood DAYYYYYY to you, sirrrrrrrr. 🙂

😆

That's hilarious cause, you're like British n'stuff, so it makes it funnier.

🙂

Nothing like a little self-depricating self parody with a cup of tea, to affirm your Britishness.

Other than being beaten at international football regularly, of course.

Originally posted by jaden101
In the battle of Dantooine, Mace Windu forced pushed a full 360 degrees around him. Pushing back hundreds of super battle droids. He also, while landing from a force jump, manages to do a force push poweful enough to blast about 50 super battledroids away and causing a crater in the ground....The he slides along the ground and simeltaneously force crushes the heads of 8 droids. He uses force TK to protect himself from the shock wave from a seismic tank that blows away battle droids and clones alike.

In attack of the clones Yoda stopped several seperate large pieces of cave roof from collapsing on himself

Kit Fisto force grabbed and threw 7 enemies at the same time. He also used the force to redirect 4 torpedoes at one back towards the enemy. He also created a force bubble about 5ft wide then smashed through an enemy vehicle like a wrecking ball.

Assaj Ventress was able to force push 2 enemies coming from 2 different directions at once.

Obi wan managed to force block a continued streak of projectiles. Straight after that what does he force block?...A constant stream of FIRE. A short while later he force blocks with his hand, several laser shots from a droideka.

Then he force pushes out in all directions while inside an enemy in order to explode it from the inside out.

There's a lot more feats besides these too.

I know you're going to repond with the completely predictable line of "not in the movies" even though some of them actually are. The difference between these examples and some of the things you try to argue is that these are actually on screen feats from the canon story line. You, on the other hand, take what happens on screen in the HP films and then extrapolate it into the completely hypothetical...Giving people abilities they have never shown on screen in any context. Simply by saying...Well he/she does this so he/she must be able to do that.

You're talking about the CGI movie, Clone Wars, none of what you mentioned counts (cept the Yoda feat, which was Ep II.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
🙂

Nothing like a little self-depricating self parody with a cup of tea, to affirm your Britishness.

Other than being beaten at international football regularly, of course.

😆

Well, it works. I must say, making fun of fanatical evangelicals that abound aplenty here in Oklahoma, is quite fun.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're talking about the CGI movie, Clone Wars, none of what you mentioned counts (cept the Yoda feat, which was Ep II.)

Counts a considerable bit more than about 99.9% of anything RJ has said so far because at least it's actual on screen feats attributable, from canon, to characters in the 6 movies.

Not to mention that fact that GL himself stated that the way the Jedi are portrayed in the clone wars is far more how he envisioned their abilities.

Originally posted by jaden101
Counts a considerable bit more than about 99.9% of anything RJ has said so far because at least it's actual on screen feats attributable, from canon, to characters in the 6 movies.

Not to mention that fact that GL himself stated that the way the Jedi are portrayed in the clone wars is far more how he envisioned their abilities.

While I agree, that's still not going to fly in the Movies Versus rules.

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