Orion vs Gladiator

Gladiator wins 8 or 9/10, he has yet to face someone that is physically glads equal.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator wins 8 or 9/10, he has yet to face someone that is physically glads equal.

Superman

Originally posted by beast1234
He may have lost to them but he was taking them both on in a fight.

Kalibak and mantis sucks. WWH took on hercules (who is>>the kalibak superman fought) along with the avengers and fantastic four and won.

because Superman isn't and Darkseid isnt beyond. Orion wins physically peers and more powerful to boot

Post Crisis Mantis is the same as PC Mantis and has similar impressive feats. Like global transmution.

Originally posted by carver9
Kalibak and mantis sucks. WWH took on hercules (who is>>the kalibak superman fought) along with the avengers and fantastic four and won.

I have already given you feat on how powerful Mantis is.

Originally posted by beast1234
Superman

And thats where we disagree at even though I give Superman the edge over Orion also.

Originally posted by carver9
Kalibak and mantis sucks. WWH took on hercules (who is>>the kalibak superman fought) along with the avengers and fantastic four and won.

Originally posted by beast1234
I have already given you feat on how powerful Mantis.

Anything PC had the power to destroy all. Hell, I even think that mary jane could have one shotted a planet.

I'm reffering to current mantis and he has done nothing to impress me.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Using the Herc instance? Come on now

Sure is since herc himself stated that WWH could have killed them anytime he chose. Since herc stated that WWH was pulling his punches and toying with them. 😕

And since it was brought up more than once that WWH wasnt serious until the end.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Post Crisis Mantis is the same as PC Mantis and has similar impressive feats. Like global transmution.

Show me these current feats and then I want you to show me mantis using anything besides brute force against Superman when he had the aid of Kalibak at his side.

Herc was also holding back and wanted to support Hulk so whats your point? And he still dropped Hulk

Originally posted by iceman24567
because Superman isn't and Darkseid isnt beyond. Orion wins physically peers and more powerful to boot

Darkseid is powerful but he has been toned down to levels that is kind of confusing right now. He has some of the lowest showings durability wise recently in people in his power category.

I told you, I think Glads is>Wonder woman, Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonderman, and Sentry physically.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Herc was also holding back and wanted to support Hulk so whats your point? And he still dropped Hulk

Please dont let me post the scan iceman. Herc admitted that WWH could have defeated him. WWH held back, plain and simple. Herc never admitted at holding back when he fought WWH. Where did you get that from unless you are making stuff up to help your argument.

Thats nice but he isn't most of them are his peers whether you want to believe it or not.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thats nice but he isn't most of them are his peers whether you want to believe it or not.

Well I'm not believing it until I see similar feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Please dont let me post the scan iceman. Herc admitted that WWH could have defeated him. WWH held back, plain and simple. Herc never admitted at holding back when he fought WWH. Where did you get that from unless you are making stuff up to help your argument.

Originally posted by carver9
Well I'm not believing it until I see similar feats.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So even though Herc was trying to reason with him and said he didn't want to fight he wasn't holding back? Yeah i made that up to help my argument pull out the scan for what its worth then pull out the scan of Hulk getting dropped by Herc.

So basically you are saying that a person cant reason with someone without fighting for lives.

Again, herc admitted that WWH could have crushed him anytime he wanted, its pretty clear that WWH is above everyone he fought by a pretty decent gap.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me these current feats and then I want you to show me mantis using anything besides brute force against Superman when he had the aid of Kalibak at his side.

Simonson's Orion, Mantis changed all of sea life with transmutation. It's in Orion's respect thread, you just have to look.