GDS Orion vs WW Hulk

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Orion really didn't hurt him as much as you are making it out to be. abc comparisons fall short here as they usually do.

WW Hulk beats Orion. Quit trying to turn this into a gds Seid against WW Hulk thread.

It's quite clear that Orion inflicted Darkseid with his blows........if you actually took time to examine the scans, you could see for yourself.........lets also not forget how he put up a longer more devastating fight against Ds, than the combined might of two amped kryptonians.......these were characters that possessed infinite strength at their base levels...........tell me how the f#ck does WWH even compare?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Abc comparisons? You mean like Doomsday>modern Orion>gds Orion? You know, the baseless bullshit arguments you were making earlier ago?

It's quite clear that Orion inflicted Darkseid with his blows........if you actually took time to examine the scans, you could see for yourself.........lets also not forget how he put up a longer more devastating fight against Ds, than the combined might of two amped kryptonians.......these were characters that possessed infinite strength at their base levels...........tell me how the f#ck does WWH even compare?

Because of his experience against Seid and their shared history, but it was noted he couldn't kill him.

Those characters don't traditionally have infinite strength at their base levels. WW Hulk has the goods to stomp Orion into the dirt. His healing factor along with Orion's state all but assures it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, this story makes it perfectly clear Orion was less than what he normally is portrayed at. The time of the new gods had passed. I got it. I guess you didn't.

Because of his experience against Seid and their shared history, but it was noted he couldn't kill him.

Those characters don't traditionally have infinite strength at their base levels. WW Hulk has the goods to stomp Orion into the dirt. His healing factor along with Orion's state all but assures it.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
You shouldn't tell anyone what they didn't comprehend......and repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it right. 🙄

Why are you repeating the same shit? [b]It doesn't matter if he couldn't beat him! What's important is that he was strong enough to phase Darkseid......this is a feat that no one under Pre-crisis Kryptonian level could replicate.........experience does you no good when you can't harm your opponent.........Orion had enough physical prowess to harm him. Your acting like he had some kind of special karate technique that could specifically exploit his weakness........

Ugh, yes they do.......you even said it yourself that pc character's are just ridiculously overpowered.......Orion is on par with Pre-crisis kryptonian characters.......by saying WWH can beat him into the dirt would be as absurd as saying he could beat pc Superboy in a arm wrestling match.😐 [/B]

He didn't really phase Seid anyways. That's like saying Wolverine cut WW Hulk so he can beat Superman. It's nonsense as Wolverine isn't powerful enough to beat WW Hulk so this line of reasoning is terrible.

Infinite strength and ridiculously powerful are too different things. Do you know what infinite means?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have stated my reasoning for this thread. It isn't going to change so why press it?

He didn't really phase Seid anyways. That's like saying Wolverine cut WW Hulk so he can beat Superman. It's nonsense as Wolverine isn't powerful enough to beat WW Hulk so this line of reasoning is terrible.

I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........

Infinite strength and ridiculously powerful are too different things. Do you know what infinite means? [/B]

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Because you're trolling and spamming. 🙂

facepalm Since your so blind.........

I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or towing galaxies worth of planets. 🙂

Yes, Seid rambles on about how orion can't kill him and defeats him easily.

No, seeing as how they could perform powerful feats the word infinite is ridiculous especially when considering the Hulk has no limits when it comes to strength only through his emotions.

A weaker Hulk once destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth. Why would he need to anything as ridiculous as towing a planet?

Has Orion ever done so since you brought it up?

Seid also bfr'd k-nian he didn't easily slay him.

If you're referring to the Mon-El incident as bfr that's not exactly correct terminology since bfr usually doesn't include blasting the target into a coma casually. Darkseid could have easily killed Mon-El but he didn't feel like wasting time now that Daxam became his target.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How so? You asked for my reasoning and I have given it to you. You not accpeting it is your own problem not mine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, this story makes it perfectly clear Orion was less than what he normally is portrayed at. The time of the new gods had passed. I got it. I guess you didn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion was cited as not being powerful enough to go rounds with seid who was weaker in the story as well. How's that impressive?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is that's how much weaker Orion was that despite Darkseid being weakened this shell of Orion wasn't powerful enough to defeat Ds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is gds Orion.

I never said he was. I stated Orion not being able to beat a weaker Seid isn't proof he can beat WW Hulk either. It seems to me you want to ignore everything stated in the arc and want to pretend the WW Hulk was beaten which he wasn't.

WW Hulk's powers and abilities win him this fight. WW Hulk beats post crisis Orion as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everything I sated was stated in the comic. Orion couldn't kill Seid it was specifically stated in the story.

Gds Orion was just a shell of his former self.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's irrelevant to this topic. WW Hulk can defeat a former shell of Orion whose power and time had passed him by.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he was always destined to battle Darkseid he just wasn't at optimum power and was just a former shell of himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he was always destined to battle Darkseid he just wasn't at optimum power and was just a former shell of himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was incapable of defeating Seid and did nothing significantly to damage him so I fail to see your point

Yes, ds left when he lost his overwhelming advantage. WW Hulk beats Orion who was nothing more than a former shell of himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because only the true warrior Orion could strike the death blow not this former shell of a warrior.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. I think WW Hulk wins based on Orion being a shell of himself. The new gods time had passed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Back to the topic though, WW Hulk based off his powers, regenerative abilities and Orion not being anything but a shell of his former self.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was a shell of his former self. Color me not impressed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point was Orion was a shell of his former self. he knew he was going to lose so I don't see this Orion beating WW Hulk. I see WW Hulk beating him every single time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What Darkseid did was immaterial as this isn't gds Seid it's gds Orion who was a shell of his former self.[/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was destined to lose. In fact it was a foregone conclusion he couldn't win. Not beating someone and not being able to win while being described as a shell of your former self isn't impressive.

😉

Yes, Seid rambles on about how orion can't kill him and defeats him easily.

No, seeing as how they could perform powerful feats the word infinite is ridiculous especially when considering the Hulk has no limits when it comes to strength only through his emotions.

A weaker Hulk once destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth. Why would he need to anything as ridiculous as towing a planet?

"I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or towing galaxies worth of planets. "

Has Orion ever done so since you brought it up?

Seid also bfr'd k-nian he didn't easily slay him. [/B]

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to the Mon-El incident as bfr that's not exactly correct terminology since bfr usually doesn't include blasting the target into a coma casually. Darkseid could have easily killed Mon-El but he didn't feel like wasting time now that Daxam became his target.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Well maybe if you didn't spam and troll, I could accept your pov.........
Oh and here..........

Because he created him.....

Lulz, so now your insinuating that Hulk can reach pc Kryptonian strength? Gtfo. 👇

Learn how to read.......

"I guess when he knocked him back and left battle damaged, he didn't phase him.......great analogy btw, I guess Wolverine could hold his own against WWH as long as Orion did with Darkseid...........
Seeing how pc kyrptonians had no limits to what kind of feats they could perform, I'd say I wouldn't be fair off to say they possessed infinite strength.......I don't see WWH ever juggling planets, or [b]towing galaxies worth of planets. "

Never. 🙂 But he managed to go toe to toe with a guy who put a pc Kryptonian level being(Mon-el) in a coma........

He manhandled a amped Supergirl and knocked out Mon-el............. [/B]

Yes, Orion posed no real threat to Seid. You thinking he hurt Seid was all to create drama.

Again, he has no known limitations. You keep trying to switch this entire debate about other characters. It has failed thus far and will fail again.

He didn't go toe to toe he was easily defeated when seid wanted him defeated. You are getting the context all wrong.

He wasn't manhandling her for one.

Secndly, this is about WW Hulk and Orion not Seid or precrisis k-nians.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to the Mon-El incident as bfr that's not exactly correct terminology since bfr usually doesn't include blasting the target into a coma casually. Darkseid could have easily killed Mon-El but he didn't feel like wasting time now that Daxam became his target.

I dont know why people are comparing Orion and Darkseid strength as the same because of a brawl. Wolverine brawled against WWH but its pretty obvious that WWH is stronger.

Hercules brawled against wwh but admitted that wwh was stronger.

Just because you faught someone doesnt make you their physical equal or it doesnt mean that you can defeat or go through the same people like that character did.

Stop using abc logic and show us something that make you think Orion could beat WWH.

Orion can actually become stronger than Darkseid, so yeah.

Just saying, just saying, that Hulk can't fly. In case anyone here didn't know. So towing planets isn't an option. Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't. Not to mention it might not even be a strength feat, but more a durability and propulsion power of flight feat. However, as already mentioned before, when a double-the-size-of-earth rock came in range, Hulk popped it with one shot, so. Of course, that also can be considered a feat of durability and propulsion.

As for the fight, I don't know enough about the GDS thing to fairly say. But if that scan is the entire fight between Orion and Darkseid, then it's not impressive in the slightest. Not to mention it was Darkseid and Orion. It seems to me that Darkseid was trying to talk to Orion, and Orion got in a sucker punch. Darkseid was still trying to talk, and Orion blasted him off the rock. But when Darkseid did fight, it was a one-shot decimation. So, that fight isn't impressive at all. Based on the info afforded by that scan, I'd have to say GDS Orion has no particular advantages. No more than regular Orion. And regular Orion has no particularly exceptional chances at WWHulk. Based on the WWHulk/Sentry fight, Orion would get beat like anyone else. If it's fact that GDS Orion is less than standard Orion, then he logically stands less chances than standard Orion.

Originally posted by Master Court
Just saying, just saying, that Hulk can't fly. In case anyone here didn't know. So towing planets isn't an option. Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't. Not to mention it might not even be a strength feat, but more a durability and propulsion power of flight feat. However, as already mentioned before, when a double-the-size-of-earth rock came in range, Hulk popped it with one shot, so. Of course, that also can be considered a feat of durability and propulsion.

As for the fight, I don't know enough about the GDS thing to fairly say. But if that scan is the entire fight between Orion and Darkseid, then it's not impressive in the slightest. Not to mention it was Darkseid and Orion. It seems to me that Darkseid was trying to talk to Orion, and Orion got in a sucker punch. Darkseid was still trying to talk, and Orion blasted him off the rock. But when Darkseid did fight, it was a one-shot decimation. So, that fight isn't impressive at all. Based on the info afforded by that scan, I'd have to say GDS Orion has no particular advantages. No more than regular Orion. And regular Orion has no particularly exceptional chances at WWHulk. Based on the WWHulk/Sentry fight, Orion would get beat like anyone else. If it's fact that GDS Orion is less than standard Orion, then he logically stands less chances than standard Orion.

I don't think that was a sucker shot. especially since Orion got two hits on DS. Previous to that, DS owned PRE-CRISIS Daxamties and Kryptonians with complete ease. Yet, Orion made a good tussle from it.

Also, in Countdown, Orion beat DS again by ripping out his heart.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and quoting me multiple times to recap does what? It's you who is so obsessed with me you do what you accuse me of.

Yes, Orion posed no real threat to Seid. You thinking he hurt Seid was all to create drama.

Again, he has no known limitations. You keep trying to switch this entire debate about other characters. It has failed thus far and will fail again.

He didn't go toe to toe he was easily defeated when seid wanted him defeated. You are getting the context all wrong.

He wasn't manhandling her for one.

Secndly, this is about WW Hulk and Orion not Seid or precrisis k-nians.
Did you read the story?

Originally posted by carver9
I dont know why people are comparing Orion and Darkseid strength as the same because of a brawl. Wolverine brawled against WWH but its pretty obvious that WWH is stronger.

Hercules brawled against wwh but admitted that wwh was stronger.

Just because you faught someone doesnt make you their physical equal or it doesnt mean that you can defeat or go through the same people like that character did.

Stop using abc logic and show us something that make you think Orion could beat WWH.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Orion can actually become stronger than Darkseid, so yeah.

Originally posted by Master Court
Just saying, just saying, that Hulk can't fly. In case anyone here didn't know. So towing planets isn't an option. Doesn't mean he can't, just that he hasn't. Not to mention it might not even be a strength feat, but more a durability and propulsion power of flight feat. However, as already mentioned before, when a double-the-size-of-earth rock came in range, Hulk popped it with one shot, so. Of course, that also can be considered a feat of durability and propulsion.

As for the fight, I don't know enough about the GDS thing to fairly say. But if that scan is the entire fight between Orion and Darkseid, then it's not impressive in the slightest. Not to mention it was Darkseid and Orion. It seems to me that Darkseid was trying to talk to Orion, and Orion got in a sucker punch. Darkseid was still trying to talk, and Orion blasted him off the rock. But when Darkseid did fight, it was a one-shot decimation. So, that fight isn't impressive at all. Based on the info afforded by that scan, I'd have to say GDS Orion has no particular advantages. No more than regular Orion. And regular Orion has no particularly exceptional chances at WWHulk. Based on the WWHulk/Sentry fight, Orion would get beat like anyone else. If it's fact that GDS Orion is less than standard Orion, then he logically stands less chances than standard Orion.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes I did read the story, its one of my favorites though it's been a little while since I've cracked it open. I thought you were talking about Mon-El and calling that bfr, attempting to lowball Darkseid as usual.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't think that was a sucker shot. especially since Orion got two hits on DS. Previous to that, DS owned PRE-CRISIS Daxamties and Kryptonians with complete ease. Yet, Orion made a good tussle from it.

Also, in Countdown, Orion beat DS again by ripping out his heart.

It was kind of a sucker punche when you look at it. Darkseid's obviously trying to talk, but Orion says "Father, you blah blah, and father this, and I'm a clone." BAM! How was Darkseid to know Orion was about to pop him one. And then Darkseid's like "But, my child, I-" ZAP! Darkseid was literally not fighting back until he incinerated the bullsh*t Orion with one blast.

And Countdown? Come on. We all know that was amped Orion. Amped Orion is better than standard Orion and obviously much better than less-than-standard GDS Orion. And there's a vast difference between landing two unexpected attacks before being barbecued and actually killing Darkseid by going batsh*t and ripping his heart out.

Originally posted by Master Court
It was kind of a sucker punche when you look at it. Darkseid's obviously trying to talk, but Orion says "Father, you blah blah, and father this, and I'm a clone." BAM! How was Darkseid to know Orion was about to pop him one. And then Darkseid's like "But, my child, I-" ZAP! Darkseid was literally not fighting back until he incinerated the bullsh*t Orion with one blast.

And Countdown? Come on. We all know that was amped Orion. Amped Orion is better than standard Orion and obviously much better than less-than-standard GDS Orion. And there's a vast difference between landing two unexpected attacks before being barbecued and actually killing Darkseid by going batsh*t and ripping his heart out.

Originally posted by Master Court
It was kind of a sucker punche when you look at it. Darkseid's obviously trying to talk, but Orion says "Father, you blah blah, and father this, and I'm a clone." BAM! How was Darkseid to know Orion was about to pop him one. And then Darkseid's like "But, my child, I-" ZAP! Darkseid was literally not fighting back until he incinerated the bullsh*t Orion with one blast.

And Countdown? Come on. We all know that was amped Orion. Amped Orion is better than standard Orion and obviously much better than less-than-standard GDS Orion. And there's a vast difference between landing two unexpected attacks before being barbecued and actually killing Darkseid by going batsh*t and ripping his heart out.

How was DS to know?! That's Orion's destiny! To KILL Darkseid. And how was Orion amped?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree with Orion being amped in countdown. he was amped in death of the new gods but not in countdown.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How was DS to know?! That's Orion's destiny! To KILL Darkseid. And how was Orion amped?

No, in Death of the New Gods.

Anyway, the GDS Orion wasn't legit. So it wasn't his destiny at all, and never was. It seems like, what with all the talking and all, that Darkseid was giving a shot at luring GDS Orion to the dark side.

EDIT: I meant he was amped when he ripped Darkseid's heart out. Hence the Amped Orion > Standard Orion > GDS Orion thing.