Dark Phoenix versus Firestarter....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

DP's level of wrecking shit was on a grander scale because she had more people to kill, Rob, why do you constantly use body count as a measuring tool? You're insane if you think Charlie can't do what DP did. Might not have looked as cool, but it would have gotten done.

You think DP was holding back when she was trying to kill Logan?.

Again, it's not just about the body count. She destroyed everything around her at a greater scale than Charlie did. In terms of kills, DP not only had more kills, but she killed faster, turned person(s) into ash, in second.

It stands to reason she was. She could have turned him completely into ash (except possibly the coated skeleton) in a second, just as she did everyone else. Her asking to die is also another hint of her trying to hold back, but knowing she'd lose control.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, it's not just about the body count. She destroyed everything around her at a greater scale than Charlie did. In terms of kills, DP not only had more kills, but she killed faster, turned person(s) into ash, in second.

It stands to reason she was. She could have turned him into ash (except possibly the coated skeleton) in a second, just as she did everyone else. Her asking to die is also another hint of her trying, but losing control.

Imagine "Firestarter2", with Drew Barrymore as grown up Charlie, that much more powerful. Awesome. Plus it's ****in Drew Barrymore.

😉

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh well, color me pwned. haermm

Imagine "Firestarter2", with Drew Barrymore as grown up Charlie, that much more powerful. Awesome. Plus it's ****in Drew Barrymore.

😉

Ha, you lost. 🙂

Unfortunately, the film would probably suck.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ha, you lost. 🙂

Unfortunately, the film would probably suck.

But you get my drift, older Charlie, with bewbz, more powerful and in control.

Did I mention bewbz?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh well, I think blocking the water is different than blocking Charlie's fire comets, but that's just me. I haven't been ignoring the wall of water because IMO I see that as a Jean Grey feat, not a DP feat. Like force choke being a Vader feat, not an Anakin feat (again, IMO). She wasn't DP when she blocked the water, she was still Jean.

Again, that's just how I see it.

Matter of opinion, man.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh well, I think blocking the water is different than blocking Charlie's fire comets, but that's just me. I haven't been ignoring the wall of water because IMO I see that as a Jean Grey feat, not a DP feat. Like force choke being a Vader feat, not an Anakin feat (again, IMO). She wasn't DP when she blocked the water, she was still Jean.

Again, that's just how I see it.

Is she ever even referred to as "Dark Phoenix" at all in the films?

If I remember right, they always just refer to her as Jean.

Good point.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And you can somehow prove his Telepathy is more powerful than Charlie's? She inherited her fathers abilities, man, telepathy and mental domination. Read the link I posted.

Telepathy and mental domination/mind control are fully within DP's power sets. Remember, Jean (who is the same person as DP...just with mental blocks on her powers), has the same exact set of powers and Xavier, but with better TK. When she's in DP form, he powers are much better than Xaviers in all areas except for the mental domination portion...in which Xavier is just slightly weaker.

However, DP does NOT have Precog.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, DP caused more destruction because she had more to destroy, Charlie would have done the same.

Baseless and unfounded. This line of reasoning cannot be used in the thread, at all.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And there still is no way to determine who is a stronger mutant, this whole "DP caused more damage" argument is flimsy at best.

Actually, it's not flimsy at all. Robtard already explained it to you. If you think that Charlie could destroy just as many people, if she had just as many to destroy, then, by that same exact logic, you should think that DP could destroy more people, if there were more people.

We know for a fact that DP's power covers a large area of affect. By your logic, DP's power would more effective at the very same thing you are trying to say can do, but was not shown doing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Charlie could have easily done what DP did on the island if she had been there.

Baseless and unfounded. This line of reasoning cannot be used in the thread, at all. (Or any versus threads. We can only go by what is shown on screen or implied by other characters about the abilities.)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
She could have blocked the syringe bullets,

Definitely.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
she could have killed all the mutants,

Definitely not. Some of the mutants were fast, and regeneration, etc. Her area of attack was not nearly as large as DPs. Charlie was also not shown to dish out damage fast enough to put down even a tenth of the mutants before she was swarmed. Unlike Xavier, she was not shown freezing an entire mall of people with just mind powers.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and she could have destroyed the facility,

Definitely, but not nearly to the extent that DP did it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
she showed that type of power.

She sure did. But, if we are comparing destructive power, DP blows her out of the water. (lol..that's a double pun because we are talking about blowing things up and how DP spread apart the water like Moses n'stuff.) Charlie's blasts were not shown to literally vaporize the buildings...she blew stuff up like large explosions (cause that's what they were...large explosions done by a pyrotechnician.)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Asnwer this question: What was DP shown blocking with her TK shield?

Those syringe bullet thingies, millions of gallons of water, etc.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, I remember her eyes flashing red, but IMO she wasn't DP yet, she mighta been like on the verge, but that's it. Again, this is how I see it, that's all, no use arguing about it anymore.

DP's level of wrecking shit was on a grander scale because she had more people to kill, Rob, why do you constantly use body count as a measuring tool? You're insane if you think Charlie can't do what DP did. Might not have looked as cool, but it would have gotten done.

You think DP was holding back when she was trying to kill Logan?.

I explained this to you already, bro.

Jean IS DP. Jean is just a weakened form of DP. Xavier put mental blocks on Jean to supress her powers and her personality.

Let's put it this way: If you think that blocking the water was strictly a Jean feat, then that hurts your case, completely as DP is a much stronger because she doesn't have the restrictions in place. However, it WAS DP as DP took over Jean as she was doing it. Fact.

Originally posted by Samurai100
it was an anakin feat watch ep 3

It wasn't.

Anakin became Vader shortly after Mace got fried.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Matter of opinion, man.

No it's not. You are factually correct. Anakin became Darth Vader long before he force choked Padme.

Samurai100 is confusing the title "Darth Vader" for the suited form of Darth Vader that is seen in Episodes 4-6 (And at the very end of Episode 3.)

Pretty sure that Jean disintegrated Charles Xavier atom by atom at the battle at Jean's parents' house? If Jean can do this to the world's most powerful telepath, I'm pretty sure that Drew doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell. Hell, Jean was even taking skin off of Wolverine as he climbed the hill to kill her. And Wolvie has accelerated healing.

Ah, Dude, RJ conceded after I bashed him in the head with logic and reason.

Sorry for so many posts.

Age of Apocolypse Phoenix...mmmm MMM!

Edit - Jean is referred to as "Phoenix" multiple times in Last Stand, BTW.

Double edit - And, Robtard is right about the molecular thing... Jean's power to disintegrate is called "atomizing".

Triple Edit - Jean is the only Class 5 mutant.

Originally posted by Impediment
Pretty sure that Jean disintegrated Charles Xavier atom by atom at the battle at Jean's parents' house? If Jean can do this to the world's most powerful telepath, I'm pretty sure that Drew doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell. Hell, Jean was even taking skin off of Wolverine as he climbed the hill to kill her. And Wolvie has accelerated healing.

agreed...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sorry for so many posts.

Age of Apocolypse Phoenix...mmmm MMM!

Edit - Jean is referred to as "Phoenix" multiple times in Last Stand, BTW.

Double edit - And, Robtard is right about the molecular thing... Jean's power to disintegrate is called "atomizing".

Triple Edit - Jean is the only Class 5 mutant.

AoA is a damn good series

Wow, I conceded to Rob already, DDM wasted all that time haermm

THAT'S funny haermm

Magical spells!!

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit - Jean is referred to as "Phoenix" multiple times in Last Stand, BTW.

D

But not Dark Phoenix?

I just think that the argument that Jean isn't the same as (Dark) Phoenix is the same as saying that Logan isn't the same as Wolverine. It quite clearly is the same person regardless of their actions for good or evil.

Same applies with...that other thread 😉

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wow, I conceded to Rob already, DDM wasted all that time haermm

THAT'S funny haermm

Magical spells!!

Concended or not, I HAD to pwn. You know how important it is that I get my pwn in.

Originally posted by jaden101
But not Dark Phoenix?

I don't remember "dark phoenix" but both Magneto and Xavier do say "phoenix."

The official end credits, I believe, show "Dark Phoenix/Jean Gray Jamke Famssen", which would make that name "official" for the film.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Concended or not, I HAD to pwn. You know how important it is that I get my pwn in.

Think about it...Why did Jean block the water? To save her friends. Did you see DP ever being helpful? Nope. She had no ties, she cared about no one, Jean was buried deep within her (teehee).