I have a bad feeling about Sentry's newly discovered powers. At first they made him a mega powerfull Superman like hero, allpowerfull and undefeatable and ALL just so he could job to Hulk in order to make him look good. Now they upgraded Sentry even more from what he was conviniently before his fight with Thor. Im affraid more jobbing is in order...
Originally posted by SamZED
I have a bad feeling about Sentry's newly discovered powers. At first they made him a mega powerfull Superman like hero, allpowerfull and undefeatable and ALL just so he could job to Hulk in order to make him look good. Now they upgraded Sentry even more from what he was conviniently before his fight with Thor. Im affraid more jobbing is in order...
ur kinda right...they potentially might do this...and if so thor fans are gonna have a field day with thor beating him...just like hulk fans did
Originally posted by redhotrashOk, and? He wasn't there to get into a knock down drag out battle with her was he? Nope.
She slammed his face on the ground, and he didnt really do much after. Young Namor made him look like a fool, even female Ultron was stomping him proper for a while. He just sucks. The underdog shouldnt be the guy with cosmic level powers.
Did Namor ko a going all out Sentry?
He tore Ultron's head off from what I remember and rezzed his wife fighting a team threat by himself.
Wow. I guess this is the best you can do while ignoring his higher end showings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, and? He wasn't there to get into a knock down drag out battle with her was he? Nope.Did Namor ko a going all out Sentry?
He tore Ultron's head off from what I remember and rezzed his wife fighting a team threat by himself.
Wow. I guess this is the best you can do while ignoring his higher end showings.
Thats your defense?
She-Hulk bouncing his head off the pavement doesnt count because he wasnt there to get in a prolonged fight?
Namor thrashing him doesnt count because he didnt get physically knocked out?
Ultron smashing him the first issue they fought doesnt count because he won the rematch?
So what exactly constitutes a loss then? To me, given his powerset, that he fell victim to any of these is pretty sad, let alone all them combined. Not to mention his own wife melting his face with a kree handgun.
I wont bring up his loss against WWH since all the fights in that arc were PIS, but him refusing to even fight the Hulk for most of it was pretty sad.
They arent low showings when its what regularly happens for the last 2 years.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Thats your defense?
She-Hulk bouncing his head off the pavement doesnt count because he wasnt there to get in a prolonged fight?
Namor thrashing him doesnt count because he didnt get physically knocked out?
Ultron smashing him the first issue they fought doesnt count because he won the rematch?
So what exactly constitutes a loss then? To me, given his powerset, that he fell victim to any of these is pretty sad, let alone all them combined. Not to mention his own wife melting his face with a kree handgun.
I wont bring up his loss against WWH since all the fights in that arc were PIS, but him refusing to even fight the Hulk for most of it was pretty sad.
They arent low showings when its what regularly happens for the last 2 years.
Originally posted by redhotrashYou have to look at the circumstances of these battles and Sentry's willingness to go all out.
Thats your defense?
She-Hulk bouncing his head off the pavement doesnt count because he wasnt there to get in a prolonged fight?
Namor thrashing him doesnt count because he didnt get physically knocked out?
Ultron smashing him the first issue they fought doesnt count because he won the rematch?
So what exactly constitutes a loss then? To me, given his powerset, that he fell victim to any of these is pretty sad, let alone all them combined. Not to mention his own wife melting his face with a kree handgun.
I wont bring up his loss against WWH since all the fights in that arc were PIS, but him refusing to even fight the Hulk for most of it was pretty sad.
They arent low showings when its what regularly happens for the last 2 years.
Again, these are examples of the Sentry being far less effective when he isn't going all out as opposed to when he has. Most of the examples you took the context out of to boot.
Originally posted by redhotrash
She slammed his face on the ground, and he didnt really do much after. Young Namor made him look like a fool, even female Ultron was stomping him proper for a while. He just sucks. The underdog shouldnt be the guy with cosmic level powers.
She slammed his face into the ground after he nonchalantly threw her half way across the state and he never tried to combat her again afterwards.
Young Namor? I suppose this is the Invaders/Avengers book where they hit each other once or twice and people like to refer that as a loss for Sentry for some reason. Might as well use the Sentry/Human Torch segment too because we all know that Sentry leaving in fear of his power destroying everybody around him is a loss too.
Female Ultron? I have no beef about Female Ultron as she was a freaking beast. She was a team wrecker and he was fighting her by himslef. Oh, you didnt seem to bring up the issue of him being told not to hurt her as Tony was inside her, but thats alright. We understand.
Seriously, if you think that any of those three characters can actually take Sentry, you know nothing of comics period. Your argument sucks.
So a guy who can stalemate Galactus cant restrain or immobolize Ultron, and has to basically serve as her punching bag? And its amusing that every time he gets embarassed its because hes holding back. Yet going all out still earned him a loss against the Hulk. So really which is the rarity, him jobbing or him "going all out"? Show me a appearance of his from the last 2 years that was impressive. Hes still living off his Terrax fight, which isnt really a big deal to start with.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Yup, Sentry gets one good feat and his fanboys goes nuts, we all saw this coming. What will happen if he gets two good feats? end of the comics vs forum....
Originally posted by redhotrash
LOL, well if he gets like 3 years of good showings, we can consider them standard. Im not budging until then.
Am I the only one who scenes a little hypocrisy here? When Superman, Wolverine, Batman, or the Hulk gets some kind of upgrade or has a feat that pushes their abilities into a higher level than previously shown - it get accepted almost without hesitation and will come up in debate after debate no matter how consistently that upgrade or feat is depicted.
But now that the same thing happens to the Sentry - its somehow invalid because you dislike the character and/or his fans? Setting hypocritical standards on the Sentry that you apply to no other character is absurd and, to be frank, eliminates any creditability you have in debating matches involving the character.
If you dislike him so much that you would go to such lengths to discredit him, why not simply abstain from threads involving him since you're obviously only contributing a biased point of view?
Also, as far as I remember Sentry was trashing Namor, not the other way around, first they traded some punches with Sentry beeing shown as the strongest of the two and the last scan showed Sentry pounding Namor into the ground. Ultron was trashing him for a whole issue when he was holding back, once he stopped holding back he wtfpwned her and ripped her (unbreakable?) head off. She-Hulk, dunno, haven't read it. Was that even a fight or simply her attacking him?
Originally posted by SamZED
Also, as far as I remember Sentry was trashing Namor, not the other way around, first they traded some punches with Sentry beeing shown as the strongest of the two and the last scan showed Sentry pounding Namor into the ground.
The fight they are talking about is from the Invader/Avengers mini where the Invaders were brought into the normal timeline and a younger Namor and Sentry hit each other a coupe times. Nothing happened at all.
Your battle is another one in which Sentry haters bring up as a low feat because Namor survived when Sentry wasnt even trying to kill him. Its hysterical to what levels people will reach for to belittle a character.
She-Hulk, dunno, haven't read it. Was that even a fight or simply her attacking him?
It wasnt a fight. As a matter of fact, I even forget the circumstances to the whole thing now. Sentry shows up and tosses She-Hulk across the city. She comes running back and smacks Sentry. End of fight. People get their jollys from that too i suppose.
Originally posted by redhotrash
So a guy who can stalemate Galactus cant restrain or immobolize Ultron, and has to basically serve as her punching bag? And its amusing that every time he gets embarassed its because hes holding back. Yet going all out still earned him a loss against the Hulk. So really which is the rarity, him jobbing or him "going all out"? Show me a appearance of his from the last 2 years that was impressive. Hes still living off his Terrax fight, which isnt really a big deal to start with.
Its no secret that I like the Sentry, but the Galactus incident doesnt hold any clout until we see it. As for Ultron, he was fighting her physically at the time and didnt have a grasp of his new found powers that would have been needed if he did indeed fight Galactus. Besides, I didnt see anybody else stepping up to the plate against Ultron. I'm not sure why people downgrade her in the first place.
WWH,,,I would have thought everybody was aware of that story by now. Sentry emitted all of his energy so I guess people think he was going all out. Standing there laughing as your being punched in the face doesnt equate to going all out in my book. Alas, people interpret it as they want to I guess.
The last 2 years hasent been good for him, but theres a few reasons. First there was Civil War in which he was written in the background or it would have a one issue story. Second we have Secret Invasion. See the first reason. Seriously, you dont think Sentry could have handled a bunch of Super Skrulls himself? A very short story indeed.
Anyways, the last couple of years,,,,lets see. He punked Doom like nobody i've ever seen before. Seriously, I cant remember anybody ever treating Doom in that fashion. He had no answer and thats unlike Doom.
Morgan Le Fey having her head ripped off was cool.
Sentry telling the Avengers to shut up (a group that included Ares, Bullseye, and Daken) and they did. They know better.
Coming back from the dead a few times was pretty impressive. Bringing his wife back to life was pretty cool too.
Destroying all of Atlantis in a few short panels was decent.
Eh, the list goes on.
It does suck to use the whole 'Holding Back' excuse all the time, but the fact of the matter is,,,,he was during most of his low showings. Hercules, Namor, Ultron, She-Hulk, heck even Genis when they were fighting. Its what he does.
Originally posted by TheKahn👆 people just need to expect it
Am I the only one who scenes a little hypocrisy here? When Superman, Wolverine, Batman, or the Hulk gets some kind of upgrade or has a feat that pushes their abilities into a higher level than previously shown - it get accepted almost without hesitation and will come up in debate after debate no matter how consistently that upgrade or feat is depicted.But now that the same thing happens to the Sentry - its somehow invalid because you dislike the character and/or his fans? Setting hypocritical standards on the Sentry that you apply to no other character is absurd and, to be frank, eliminates any creditability you have in debating matches involving the character.
If you dislike him so much that you would go to such lengths to discredit him, why not simply abstain from threads involving him since you're obviously only contributing a biased point of view?
Originally posted by TheKahnI think I like this guy. Do stick around kahn. Cosigned. People have a hard time accepting the Hulk though as well. I remember some posters arguing in ww hulk threads basically calling the entire storyline pis. How can you be arguing on one version of a character for or against saying the whole arc doesn't count. I laughed.
Am I the only one who scenes a little hypocrisy here? When Superman, Wolverine, Batman, or the Hulk gets some kind of upgrade or has a feat that pushes their abilities into a higher level than previously shown - it get accepted almost without hesitation and will come up in debate after debate no matter how consistently that upgrade or feat is depicted.But now that the same thing happens to the Sentry - its somehow invalid because you dislike the character and/or his fans? Setting hypocritical standards on the Sentry that you apply to no other character is absurd and, to be frank, eliminates any creditability you have in debating matches involving the character.
If you dislike him so much that you would go to such lengths to discredit him, why not simply abstain from threads involving him since you're obviously only contributing a biased point of view?