Sentry vs. Vulcan

Originally posted by TheKahn
Am I the only one who scenes a little hypocrisy here? When Superman, Wolverine, Batman, or the Hulk gets some kind of upgrade or has a feat that pushes their abilities into a higher level than previously shown - it get accepted almost without hesitation and will come up in debate after debate no matter how consistently that upgrade or feat is depicted.

But now that the same thing happens to the Sentry - its somehow invalid because you dislike the character and/or his fans? Setting hypocritical standards on the Sentry that you apply to no other character is absurd and, to be frank, eliminates any creditability you have in debating matches involving the character.

If you dislike him so much that you would go to such lengths to discredit him, why not simply abstain from threads involving him since you're obviously only contributing a biased point of view?

Is Vulcan normal here or merged?

That doesnt apply to me, I certainly do ***** when Wolverine, Supes, the Hulk, and many other get ridiculous upgrades out of nowhere. My point is, Sentry hasnt dont jack to be impressive in forever, and now he gets a nonsensical power, uses it better than a guy who has mastered it since the 80s. It seems like everyone's defense for all his crap showings is "He wasnt trying."
Him punking Doom I didnt find that impressive. He basically appeared out of nowhere in front of him and ripped off his mask before he could even react. Nearly any class 100+ character could do that given those conditions.
The Le Fey fight was decent, but honestly even Moonstone was kicking her ass at that point.
You think its impressive that a Superman clone is able to silence Bullseye and Daken? They are street levelers...
Coming back from the dead is less impressive when you consider that he was killed so many times this year to begin with. Once by his own wife using a damn kree pistol.
Atlantis wasnt a terrible feat I suppose, aside from the fact there wasnt a single named character living there to fight him. No Namor, no one noteworthy at all.
I dont particularly hate Sentry to be honest, in fact I think its interesting to have a character with some actual flaws. But when one of those flaws is cowardice, yeah it loses some luster.

Side note: Quan, WWH was a completely PIS storyline. Its almost universally agreed upon.

Vulcan

Well from now on whenever someone I enjoy loses Im going with the "Duh, he wasnt trying to win" argument, since thats apparently acceptable.

Originally posted by redhotrash
It seems like everyone's defense for all his crap showings is "He wasnt trying."

Well, the truth of the matter is he wasnt trying in almost all of those instances.

Him punking Doom I didnt find that impressive. He basically appeared out of nowhere in front of him and ripped off his mask before he could even react. Nearly any class 100+ character could do that given those conditions.

You tell me when a class 100 character has nonchalantly broken through Dooms shileds like that and i'll agree with you. That was impressive.

You think its impressive that a Superman clone is able to silence Bullseye and Daken? They are street levelers...

I think its more impressive that even a God shut his mouth. I used Bullseye, Daken, and Ares as examples because their all ego maniacs and its out of character for them to accept a command like that regardless of who said it.

Coming back from the dead is less impressive when you consider that he was killed so many times this year to begin with. Once by his own wife using a damn kree pistol.

The fact that he cant be put down isnt impressive to you? Geez, what does impress you?

Atlantis wasnt a terrible feat I suppose, aside from the fact there wasnt a single named character living there to fight him. No Namor, no one noteworthy at all.

Ita still an advanced civilization and he did it quickly and without breathing hard. Namor couldnt have done it.

I dont particularly hate Sentry to be honest, in fact I think its interesting to have a character with some actual flaws. But when one of those flaws is cowardice, yeah it loses some luster.

But he's afraid for other people and not so much himself. I think its a good quality. It brings a tad bit of realism into the fold.

Side note: Quan, WWH was a completely PIS storyline. Its almost universally agreed upon.

I agree 100% and you'll get no arguments here. The entire story sucked and was definately filled with PIS.

If you arent going to make a effort to, ya know, actually win a fight, why even show up? Someone with his powerset shouldnt be getting their head slammed into the pavement or have to struggled that way with Ultron. And for it to happen every other issue is weak. Blame bad handling if you want, but its consistant.

Doom didnt even have his shields up as far as I could tell. He was standing there, arrogant taunting I think Spider-Woman, when Sentry appeared out of NOWHERE and tore his mask off. Doom has 0 chance to react.

Ares has a strange code to him, he respects Sentry for some odd reason. Even if he didnt, it hasnt exactly been a stellar year for Ares either. Hes been turned to stone twice in like 6 months. I still dont really see whats impressive about him shutting up a guy who got paralyzed by a walking stereotype of the american indians. (not to say anything about Bullseye, unlike Sentry he has actually produced results despite being the only regular human on the team)

You are missing the point of him being killed in the first place. Hes already caught up with Jean Grey.

Atlantis is supposed to be advanced, but whenever they fight its just naked mer-people with spears.

We can go back and fourth on this all day (or until I get bored) but I suppose we'll just have to disagree. I personally just cant see him being written as a threat now after jobbing for so long. Honestly though can you deny that hes the least productive member of Dark Avengers barring his last showing (which again shouldnt have happend)

Yeah, i'll call it bad handling. Even hercules told him to start trying when he shows up so yeah its consistant.

Dooms shileds were up and working at 100%. May not seem great to you, but i've never seen his shields broken in such a manner.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/MightyAvengers011TheBastard-Meganpg.jpg

I just wonder if Ares would shut up if Thor or Hercules told him to do so. I think we all know the answer to that one.

I'll admit to you that he's the least productive of the dark Avengers because he's only used for issues they cant seem to deal with.

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. Peace.

Originally posted by beast1234
Vulcan

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, i'll call it bad handling. Even hercules told him to start trying when he shows up so yeah its consistant.

Dooms shileds were up and working at 100%. May not seem great to you, but i've never seen his shields broken in such a manner.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/MightyAvengers011TheBastard-Meganpg.jpg

I just wonder if Ares would shut up if Thor or Hercules told him to do so. I think we all know the answer to that one.

I'll admit to you that he's the least productive of the dark Avengers because he's only used for issues they cant seem to deal with.

Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. Peace.