Re: Death of Superman pt. II
Originally posted by TheKahn
In numerous fights involving Superman and characters such as Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Thor, and others one major issue keeps coming up: can these characters exploit Superman's weaknesses in a fight? Many people say yes, while many Superman fans say a definitive no.So the point of this thread is to get views on what level of magical firepower or energy manipulation does a character need to have to be able to win consistently against Superman with only those abilities.
Any thoughts?
They can but it's doubtful they could do it fast enough or that it would work fast enough. Thor and CM surely won't be able and it ends in a normal fight. Surfer might but it's still doubful it will happen fast enough.
Given a little prep time, however, should be enough to give SS and Thor a vast majority 9/10. CM maybe 7/10.
Captain Marvel has gone against Superman knowing who he'd be facing several times, and the result is still generally the same- stalemate. He's not really one who can do a lot with prep.
Magic allows CM and WW to fight him to a draw (as they've done many times), but being hand to hand fighters there's not a lot to do to boost their odds other than sucker punching him (or getting more artifacts or outside aid). Their magic is their normal attacks.
You need mages more to gain additional advantage.
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Hm, I wonder if Circe has ever fought Clark. She can use her magic to amp herself up to Wonder Woman strength levels, or for a wide variety of other spells. She might be able to with prep.
Originally posted by Q99
Captain Marvel has gone against Superman knowing who he'd be facing several times, and the result is still generally the same- stalemate. He's not really one who can do a lot with prep.Magic allows CM and WW to fight him to a draw (as they've done many times), but being hand to hand fighters there's not a lot to do to boost their odds other than sucker punching him (or getting more artifacts or outside aid).
You need mages more to gain additional advantage.
CM is Supermans equal, even without the magic weakness. The weakness doesn't play an big role in their brawls, that's why it still is a stalemate. However, CM has grown, he was the Wizard of the rock of eternity for some time. In a prep scenario i could see him luring Supes into the rock or using artifacts or his lightining more effectively. Though as said, he can't do as much as a prepped Thor or SS could do. 😉
Originally posted by Omega VisionSure, if you ignore how k-nite was portrayed in countdown number 3. if you pick and choose. It depends on the writer, obviously. The point is it's still a hampering weakness but one he will overcome to live to fight another day.
Thanks.Yep, him surviving a nuke while surrounded by kryptonite pretty much downgrades kryptonite from ultimate weakness to serious potentially life-threatening allergy.