Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk's crushed giants before. This is WW Hulk. If it were this easy you must have a lower respect for marvel earth than I do.
Apocalypse at normal size is said to be in the Class 100 range. His strength and durability multiplies as he grows. Hulk is screwed.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Apocalypse at normal size is said to be in the Class 100 range. His strength and durability multiplies as he grows. Hulk is screwed.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Same can be said about Superman's good showings against Seid 😬
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Difference is that Darkseid had consistent good showings that put him beyond Superman before he started jobbing whereas Apocalypse never lived up to the hype and started jobbing not long after his earliest appearances.
Given his powerset, the writers pretty much had to. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much the X-Men, or even most of Marvel Earth, could do to stop him. Writers have done the same to characters like Juggernaut, Gladiator, Superman, Flash.... and the list goes on.
Superman isn't confined to Earth and has quite a few enemies who rival or exceed his own power, but still occassionally jobs to street-levelers and mid-tiers. Apocalypse, whose powerset gives him few peers on Earth, is made to job whenever possible because the good guys inevitably win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk's crushed giants before. This is WW Hulk. If it were this easy you must have a lower respect for marvel earth than I do.
Were those other giants equipped with telekinesis, teleportation, forcefield generation, shapeshifting (including techno-organic morphing to create conventional and energy weaponry), near equal strength, greater mobility, flight, high end energy projection, and the ability to morph around and evade all of Hulk's incoming blows?
If not, those examples don't apply.
It's not a lack of respect for Marvel Earth, it's just logical thought based on the factors in this particular forum battle.
Apocalypse has too many options and can negate WWH's only advantage (his strength). Apoc doesn't even have to allow Hulk near him, particularly in Hulk's punching range (which, even if allowed, isn't an endgame given Apoc's ability to morph around incoming attacks), and he has options to simply "air-juggle" Hulk into futility via port n' pwn (copyright).
Originally posted by illadelph12
Telekinesis, teleportation, forcefield generation, shapeshifting (including techno-organic morphing to create conventional and energy weaponry), near equal strength, greater mobility, flight, high end energy projection, and the ability to morph around and evade all
Too bad he never uses any of those, he is always in some cocoon. Hulk beats cocoon.
Originally posted by Eternal IdolHulk at normal savage levels gets a lot stronger once pissed off enough. This is a stronger based Hulk who used tactics and was stronger than savage even at his lower base.
Apocalypse at normal size is said to be in the Class 100 range. His strength and durability multiplies as he grows. Hulk is screwed.
Originally posted by illadelph12I think most of the threats WW Hulk faced were more powerful than Apoc.
Were those other giants equipped with telekinesis, teleportation, forcefield generation, shapeshifting (including techno-organic morphing to create conventional and energy weaponry), near equal strength, greater mobility, flight, high end energy projection, and the ability to morph around and evade all of Hulk's incoming blows?If not, those examples don't apply.
It's not a lack of respect for Marvel Earth, it's just logical thought based on the factors in this particular forum battle.
Apocalypse has too many options and can negate WWH's only advantage (his strength). Apoc doesn't even have to allow Hulk near him, particularly in Hulk's punching range (which, even if allowed, isn't an endgame given Apoc's ability to morph around incoming attacks), and he has options to simply "air-juggle" Hulk into futility via port n' pwn (copyright).
Now if you want to go based on pure ability the Hulk's abilities don't look that great on paper, but in the comics this guy is an animal.
he took on the Juggernaut and bfr'd him like nothing after he went through two mutant teams with abilities ranging all over the map and nothing seemed to even remotely even irritate WW Hulk.
WW Hulk's strength and healing factor along with the factor of him being intelligent make this a no win situation for Apoc.
WW Hulk also can thunderclap him for a ranged attack.
What you are doing is arguing his powerset vs. the Hulk's powerset and are trying to downplay their roles in the comics themselves.
reading WW Hulk you know Apoc would have been teabagged had he showed off his ugly face in this story.
Read the OP Quan. The thread starter specifically removed this battle from the confines of plot driven interactions. PIS and CIS are both off, meaning this battle is not simply a re-enactment of the actions of the WWH storyline or any other story which are written specifically for the sake of a plotted outcome. I know you can grasp that concept.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk at normal savage levels gets a lot stronger once pissed off enough. This is a stronger based Hulk who used tactics and was stronger than savage even at his lower base.I think most of the threats WW Hulk faced were more powerful than Apoc.
Now if you want to go based on pure ability the Hulk's abilities don't look that great on paper, but in the comics this guy is an animal.
he took on the Juggernaut and bfr'd him like nothing after he went through two mutant teams with abilities ranging all over the map and nothing seemed to even remotely even irritate WW Hulk.
WW Hulk's strength and healing factor along with the factor of him being intelligent make this a no win situation for Apoc.
WW Hulk also can thunderclap him for a ranged attack.
What you are doing is arguing his powerset vs. the Hulk's powerset and are trying to downplay their roles in the comics themselves.
reading WW Hulk you know Apoc would have been teabagged had he showed off his ugly face in this story.
His so called BFR of Cain was PIS.
Originally posted by illadelph12Yes, I understand that but with that being said WW Hulk's strength is still off the charts. he has superior strength feats, an off the charts healing factor, and thunderclaps for ranged attacks.
Read the OP Quan. The thread starter specifically removed this battle from the confines of plot driven interactions. PIS and CIS are both off, meaning this battle is not simply a re-enactment of the actions of the WWH storyline or any other story which are written specifically for the sake of a plotted outcome. I know you can grasp that concept.
Nothing Apoc is doing here is going to beat the Hulk here considering everything he survived in WW Hulk arc.
He won't be calming down either as by the op.
Apoc's size won't be an issue as the Hulk has crushed bigger threats prior to this.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixIt doesn't matter one way or the other. He took on Juggernaut and he wasn't even remotely a threat to WW Hulk in this arc. WW Hulk only let him off easily imo due to the fact he was there for Xavier and Xavier only. Every mutant who got in his way or character prior to him getting his shot at Xavier was just a minor roadblock he went through.
His so called BFR of Cain was PIS.
Originally posted by The NuulApc doesn't have the options Strange has.
Non jobbing Apoc wouldnt screw around like Strange did.