World War Hulk Vs. Apocalypse

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I understand that but with that being said WW Hulk's strength is still off the charts. he has superior strength feats, an off the charts healing factor, and thunderclaps for ranged attacks.

Nothing Apoc is doing here is going to beat the Hulk here considering everything he survived in WW Hulk arc.

He won't be calming down either as by the op.

Apoc's size won't be an issue as the Hulk has crushed bigger threats prior to this. It doesn't matter one way or the other. He took on Juggernaut and he wasn't even remotely a threat to WW Hulk in this arc. WW Hulk only let him off easily imo due to the fact he was there for Xavier and Xavier only. Every mutant who got in his way or character prior to him getting his shot at Xavier was just a minor roadblock he went through. Apc doesn't have the options Strange has.

Apoc's still holding all the cards here. The only edge Hulk has is strength and that's not going to get the job done against Apocalypse, particularly not outside of the confines of a story arc written specifically in the Hulk's favor. Apocalypse can become intangible, erect forcefields, teleport out of harms way, or adjust his density to be able to absorb the blows Hulk throws (become rubbery so that Hulk's punches bounce off of him, or simply morph around them). Nur has too many options against a one trick pony like Hulk. He could always forcibly siphon the gamma out of him just like he did Cyclops's life force/energy. It's not even really close when it's a non-plotted scenario.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apoc's still holding all the cards here. The only edge Hulk has is strength and that's not going to get the job done against Apocalypse, particularly not outside of the confines of a story arc written specifically in the Hulk's favor. Apocalypse can become intangible, erect forcefields, teleport out of harms way, or adjust his density to be able to absorb the blows Hulk throws (become rubbery so that Hulk's punches bounce off of him, or simply morph around them). Nur has too many options against a one trick pony like Hulk. He could always forcibly siphon the gamma out of him just like he did Cyclops's life force/energy. It's not even really close when it's a non-plotted scenario.

Reed didn't seem to manage that well against WW Hulk.

The forcefields he erects will get smashed and like I said will only make him stronger and strengthen his resolve.

Acting like he can easily siphon the energy out of the Hulk and making a comparison to Cyclops is just wishful thinking at best.

In a nonplotted scenario he can WB himself at any moment or approach these levels. WW Hulk's on a whole other level.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
When did they X-men fight and beat Apocalypse?

I must've missed this one.

There's a misconception on this board that the X-Men have beaten Apocalypse in direct combat numerous times. That's incorrect. They've delayed or foiled his plans, granted, but in direct engagement with Apocalypse himself (and not his henchmen) Nur actually has a good record against his opponents. Apocalypse hasn't lost many actual fights, he just gets his plans thwarted which leads to this board stigma of his being a loser. It's more along the lines of his plans being delayed so he falls back to the shadows to wait for the next part of his plan to come to fruition. Hardly ever has he been overwhelmed in combat.

reed's elasticity < apocalypse's

they're not even the same since apocalypse can draw in more mass, and has dynamic strength like the hulk

Originally posted by psycho gundam
reed's elasticity < apocalypse's

they're not even the same since apocalypse can draw in more mass, and has dynamic strength like the hulk

His dynamic strength is nowhere close to the Hulk's best imo.

Originally posted by illadelph12
There's a misconception on this board that the X-Men have beaten Apocalypse in direct combat numerous times. That's incorrect. They've delayed or foiled his plans, granted, but in direct engagement with Apocalypse himself (and not his henchmen) Nur actually has a good record against his opponents. Apocalypse hasn't lost many actual fights, he just gets his plans thwarted which leads to this board stigma of his being a loser. It's more along the lines of his plans being delayed so he falls back to the shadows to wait for the next part of his plan to come to fruition. Hardly ever has he been overwhelmed in combat.

heroes die, no more comics

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can bide his time that's for sure, but at the end of the day Hulk's going to just get madder and madder making everything apoc does only further fuel this multi tricked pony. Hulk's got strength, thunderclapping, and healing that will continue to increase as this fight progresses.

Reed didn't seem to manage that well against WW Hulk.

The forcefields he erects will get smashed and like I said will only make him stronger and strengthen his resolve.

Acting like he can easily siphon the energy out of the Hulk and making a comparison to Cyclops is just wishful thinking at best.

In a nonplotted scenario he can WB himself at any moment or approach these levels. WW Hulk's on a whole other level.

Apoc can augment himself as well, and unlike Hulk, he doesn't have to get angrier to do it, he can just will it so. Apoc has Hulk trumped. Period.

Reed wasn't written to do it. Doens't matter in a non-plot driven scenario man.

He smashes, Apoc ports away and erects a new one, or teleports Hulk 2 miles above the ground and air juggles him. Your choice.

He can. Hulk runs on gamma radiation. Apoc can siphon energy. It's not like it's never been done before to Hulk.

Doesn't matter against an opponent that won't allow himself to be hit. If he breaks the world he has nothing to stand on and exert his strength. Apocalypse, on the other hand, can still fly and teleport. Hulk would be a super strong sitting duck. It's actually in Apoc's favor if Hulk destroys his footing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
heroes die, no more comics

The whole "Ah ****, mah planz" is overused.

Originally posted by Blanket
I still don't understand why villians just stop after a plan has been foiled. They may have just reamed the heroes' anus' out, but gee willikers if they can't use their ultimo device. Meh

Just the way these stories work. The antagonist assaults the protagonist, the protagonist appears overwhelmed, the protagonist defies the odds and thwarts the antagonist, antagonist retreats to fight another day, and the cycle resets.

It's why I prefer stories like The Iliad.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apoc can augment himself as well, and unlike Hulk, he doesn't have to get angrier to do it, he can just will it so. Apoc has Hulk trumped. Period.

Reed wasn't written to do it. Doens't matter in a non-plot driven scenario man.

He smashes, Apoc ports away and erects a new one, or teleports Hulk 2 miles above the ground and air juggles him. Your choice.

He can. Hulk runs on gamma radiation. Apoc can siphon energy. It's not like it's never been done before to Hulk.

Doesn't matter against an opponent that won't allow himself to be hit. If he breaks the world he has nothing to stand on and exert his strength. Apocalypse, on the other hand, can still fly and teleport. Hulk would be a super strong sitting duck. It's actually in Apoc's favor if Hulk destroys his footing.

Yes, it does.

I get what you are saying, but my point is Hulk's strength has always been written as elite strength in marvel. Apoc can amp his abilities but don't act as if anyone believes he's a rival to the Hulk at his best.

Sooner or later Apoc is going to be closed in on.

Not by the likes of apoc.

Hulk wasn't trying to fight or hit anything. His energy was just tearing stuff up. If he uses his abilities and thunderclaps it's going to hit Apoc eventually. From there on out he do so until he buys himself enough time to get close enough to crush him.

But but but....Delph WWH could go World Breaker mode!!!

Apoc wins in these setttings without much trouble

Originally posted by quanchi112
We've never seen him augment himself to anywhere near WW Hulk or WB Levels in terms of strength anyways.

Yes, it does.

I get what you are saying, but my point is Hulk's strength has always been written as elite strength in marvel. Apoc can amp his abilities but don't act as if anyone believes he's a rival to the Hulk at his best.

Sooner or later Apoc is going to be closed in on.

Not by the likes of apoc.

Hulk wasn't trying to fight or hit anything. His energy was just tearing stuff up. If he uses his abilities and thunderclaps it's going to hit Apoc eventually. From there on out he do so until he buys himself enough time to get close enough to crush him.

He doesn't need to be that strong. Fisticuffs aren't Apoc's only options. Just because he's fighting Hulk doesn't mean he has to slather on oil and start Greco-Roman wrestling with him. Apoc has the tools to nullify Hulk's one advantage. He doesn't have to get physical if he doesn't want to.

No, it really doesn't.

Strength isn't the determining factor in this match. This is all out combat, not a strongman contest. Hulk being able to lift more is inconsequential.

Not very likely given his teleportation and ability to morph his body. Hulk doesn't have a counter. Nur holds all the mobility cards.

"Likes of Apoc"? Suddenly energy plays favoritism? How about the likes of Cellestial Technology embedded in one's body?

I read the comic bruh. Miek made his confession, Hulk got so pissed his step shook half the US, then he and Sentry had the most misrepresented and anti-climactic battle in the arc. I wasn't that impressed. And honestly, it has no bearing on this scenario. Particularly given that Apoc can always tk him so he's floating in the air and punt him offworld. All his strength doesn't increase his mass beyond Apocalypse's ability to throw it around like a football if need be. Just gotta look at this scenario objectively.

It's not really close.

Apoc doesnt even need to get close to win, he has other options to win with.

Originally posted by illadelph12
There's a misconception on this board that the X-Men have beaten Apocalypse in direct combat numerous times. That's incorrect. They've delayed or foiled his plans, granted, but in direct engagement with Apocalypse himself (and not his henchmen) Nur actually has a good record against his opponents. Apocalypse hasn't lost many actual fights, he just gets his plans thwarted which leads to this board stigma of his being a loser. It's more along the lines of his plans being delayed so he falls back to the shadows to wait for the next part of his plan to come to fruition. Hardly ever has he been overwhelmed in combat.

But yeah, all of this is correct. Because Apocalypse's plans do not always play themselves out to the fullest, people for some reason attribute this to him being a weak combatant. Like the "blood of apocalypse" arc. Though shitty, it shows that the X-men need to have Pulse further weakened an already incredibly weakened Apocalypse just to stand a chance 😐

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apoc has the tools to nullify Hulk's one advantage.

WWH is depicted as quite a bit more powerful than Apoc ever has. I realize on KMC, versatility trumps sheer power...but in comics, sheer power trumps versatility.

Well, we're on KMC.

And the tools are, as stated before:

Shielding.
Teleporting.
Telekinesis.
Flight.
Ranged attacks.
Intangibility.
Malleability.
Energy Manipulation.

He doesn't have to allow Hulk to hit him.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, we're on KMC.

And the tools are, as stated before:

Shielding.
Teleporting.
Telekinesis.
Flight.
Ranged attacks.
Intangibility.
Malleability.
Energy Manipulation.

He doesn't have to allow Hulk to hit him.

shielding - WWH breaks through that

teleporting - good for a bfr, nothing else

telekinesis - WWH overpowers that eventually

flight - nothing WWH hasn't faced before in superior form

ranged attacks - WWH yawns...he's taken far more than Apoc can dish

intangibility - very rarely used. don't see how he would win with it

malleability - good. his face will deform greatly from WWH's fists.

Energy manipulation - perhaps effective. not sure about this.

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Again, I see nothing Apoc has that WWH hasn't brushed off easily in his fight against basically the entire Marvel earth. PIS or not, it happened.

Time to destroy these claims.

Originally posted by Starscream M
shielding - WWH breaks through that

Originally posted by Starscream M
teleporting - good for a bfr, nothing else

Originally posted by Starscream M
flight - nothing WWH hasn't faced before in superior form

Originally posted by Starscream M
ranged attacks - WWH yawns...he's taken far more than Apoc can dish

Originally posted by Starscream M
intangibility - very rarely used. don't see how he would win with it.

He can avoid any attack or he can pull Hulk into the earth's core.

Originally posted by Starscream M
malleability - good. his face will deform greatly from WWH's fists.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Energy manipulation - perhaps effective. not sure about this.