Originally posted by AllanklesBor does not require a variety of showings in order for you to simply substantiate your opinions and simply show Superman taking shots that would outright kill classic Thor. That helps solve whether Superman could weather a fight with Bor.
This is why you can't use crossovers as proof. Thor whether or not he is amped with the OF in his universe, occupies a position similar to Superman in the hierachy of heroes in his universe.You can't simply use the comparison Thor made to make Bor superior to Supes via association, since Superman himself in his own universe has fought ancient deities, sometimes in groups and won. Since Superman himself gets stronger as he ages, he's not stangant either. If Thor is getting older and more experienced with the OF, Supes is also getting more sturdy and wise.
Bor must have a variety of showings against other similar characters to demonstrate his superiority. Superman has had those demonstrations, he's battled Elder gods and powerful cosmics and prevailed, showing great power and durability in the process, Bor doesn't have that.
The next is substantiating Superman's ability to take down an opponent who has just unleashed his godly cascading magical energies that were kicking the crap out of Odinforce Thor and threatening to rip apart the planet.
Finally, you next substantiate that while weathering such an assault, Superman can definitively take out a being as supremely durable as Bor. Who was more durable than Mjolnir. And Mjolnir wasn't even dented when it smashed a Celestial dome and caused reverberations across a planet blowing mountainpeaks apart and wrecking cities.
Bor's destructive attacks, ability to exude cascading magical energy on high levels and supreme durability are well-defined enough. There's no reason to avoid substantiating your own assessment of how Superman deals with these issues. Because we all know that Bor wasn't beaten by plot device. And all plot device showings Superman had against similar beings are irrelevant. Deal with the down and dirty.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Bor does not require a variety of showings in order for you to simply substantiate your opinions and simply show Superman [b]taking shots that would outright kill classic Thor. That helps solve whether Superman could weather a fight with Bor.[/B]
Again this where you missed my point to Carver. Just because it would stop classic Thor doesn't mean it has any relevance to Supes. If you're basing this off of their meeting in a cross over you'd be wrong. Superman doesn't have to abide by another universe's rules.
More than that, the only indication it would stop Classic Thor are Thor's words himself. Given the actual evidence of what he faced from Bor, we are open to interpret how such blows would affect Superman. I don't think they would affect a peak Superman anymore than they affected Thor in that fight.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The next is substantiating Superman's ability to take down an opponent who has just unleashed his godly cascading magical energies that were kicking the crap out of Odinforce Thor and threatening to rip apart the planet..
Seeing how Superman has been able to battle creatures more than capable of destroying planets and stars (Braniac, Mageddon?) Why would I need to substantiate. Superman himself has threatened planets in fights and has delivered blows that rattled a solar system. This is the problem of comparing a one off character against a guy who's fought and overcome much greater odds.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Finally, you next substantiate that while weathering such an assault, Superman can definitively take out a being as supremely durable as Bor. Who was more durable than Mjolnir. And Mjolnir wasn't even dented when it smashed a Celestial dome and caused reverberations across a planet blowing mountainpeaks apart and wrecking cities.
Another problem with you reasoning here. You can't assume Bor is more durable than a celestial since said celestials wouldn't fall to Thor. The feat with the celestial is entirely unrelated to Bor, unless these events happened in the same story arch. Why make dishonest comparisons?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Bor does not require a variety of showings in order for you to simply substantiate your opinions and simply show Superman taking shots that would outright kill classic Thor. That helps solve whether Superman could weather a fight with Bor.The next is substantiating Superman's ability to take down an opponent who has just unleashed his godly cascading magical energies that were kicking the crap out of Odinforce Thor and threatening to rip apart the planet.
Finally, you next substantiate that while weathering such an assault, Superman can definitively take out a being as supremely durable as Bor. Who was more durable than Mjolnir. And Mjolnir wasn't even dented when it smashed a Celestial dome and caused reverberations across a planet blowing mountainpeaks apart and wrecking cities.
Bor's destructive attacks, ability to exude cascading magical energy on high levels and supreme durability are well-defined enough. There's no reason to avoid substantiating your own assessment of how Superman deals with these issues. Because we all know that Bor wasn't beaten by plot device. And all plot device showings Superman had against similar beings are irrelevant. Deal with the down and dirty.
Even though me and you dispute a lot one dumb, great post like usual.
Originally posted by Allankles
Again this where you missed my point to Carver. Just because it would stop classic Thor doesn't mean it has any relevance to Supes. If you're basing this off of their meeting in a cross over you'd be wrong. Superman doesn't have to abide by another universe's rules.More than that, the only indication it would stop Classic Thor are Thor's words himself. Given the actual evidence of what he faced from Bor, we are open to interpret how such blows would affect Superman. I don't think they would affect a peak Superman anymore than they affected Thor in that fight.
Seeing how Superman has been able to battle creatures more than capable of destroying planets and stars (Braniac, Mageddon?) Why would I need to substantiate. Superman himself has threatened planets in fights and has delivered blows that rattled a solar system. This is the problem of comparing a one off character against a guy who's fought and overcome much greater odds.
Another problem with you reasoning here. You can't assume Bor is more durable than a celestial since said celestials wouldn't fall to Thor. The feat with the celestial is entirely unrelated to Bor, unless these events happened in the same story arch. Why make dishonest comparisons?
WTF
Originally posted by Allankles
Again this where you missed my point to Carver. Just because it would stop classic Thor doesn't mean it has any relevance to Supes. If you're basing this off of their meeting in a cross over you'd be wrong. Superman doesn't have to abide by another universe's rules.More than that, the only indication it would stop Classic Thor are Thor's words himself. Given the actual evidence of what he faced from Bor, we are open to interpret how such blows would affect Superman. I don't think they would affect a peak Superman anymore than they affected Thor in that fight.
Seeing how Superman has been able to battle creatures more than capable of destroying planets and stars (Braniac, Mageddon?) Why would I need to substantiate. Superman himself has threatened planets in fights and has delivered blows that rattled a solar system. This is the problem of comparing a one off character against a guy who's fought and overcome much greater odds.
Another problem with you reasoning here. You can't assume Bor is more durable than a celestial since said celestials wouldn't fall to Thor. The feat with the celestial is entirely unrelated to Bor, unless these events happened in the same story arch. Why make dishonest comparisons?
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Originally posted by carver9
WTF
He made dishonest comparisons. Not uncommon in these debates but nevertheless I don't want an overlong debate about how Bor is more durable than Mjlonir and by extension a celestial. Obviously Mjlonir isn't operating at the same levels in every story arch just like Superman doesn't operate at the same levels in every story arch.
I will say he's highly durable but won't waste time on it, he's obviously just below Thor in durability, so will we start talking about Thor's durability vs Mjlonir? A lot of wasted time nor?
Knowing this I don't want to make dishonest comparisons, so I use high feats or at least a high average, you seem to only use low feats. Again with relevant stuff I think Supes has a slight edge over this guy.
Originally posted by Allankles
He made dishonest comparisons. Not uncommon in these debates but nevertheless I don't want an overlong debate about how Bor is more durable than Mjlonir and by extension a celestial. Obviously Mjlonir isn't operating at the same levels in every story arch just like Superman doesn't operate at the same levels in every story arch.Knowing this I don't want to make dishonest comparisons, so I use high feats or at least a high average, you seem to only use low feats.
I'm not using any showings but its kind of obvious that Bor is on an entirely different level. Again, Supes has taken on people similar to bor and fell quite easily (titus and Despero, even though I think Bor is above the both of them). This fight should be closed. Bor is completely out of Supermans league and again, he should be able to one shot kill him.
He might one shot kill a teenage Superman, not a 30 something Supes with centuries worth of experience and over 3 decades of gaining strength from the yellow sun.
Sorry, just because Classic Thor gets wrecked doesn't mean Superman would, they are not in the same company and don't operate by the same rules. Superman is more than capable of raising his performances given his opponent or circumstances .e.g. absorbing the Mageddon war head, that's certainly more destructive energy than Bor could ever dish out if he tried.
Supes is a better clutch player than Thor anyway, always has always will be.
Originally posted by Allankles
He might one shot kill a teenage Superman, not a 30 something Supes with centuries worth of experience and over 3 decades of gaining strength from the yellow sun.Sorry, just because Classic Thor gets wrecked doesn't mean Superman would, they are not in the same company and don't operate by the same rules. Superman is more than capable of raising his performances given his opponent or circumstances .e.g. absorbing the Mageddon war head, that's certainly more destructive energy than Bor could ever dish out if he tried.
Supes is a better clutch player than Thor anyway, always has always will be.
I dont care about what he absorbed. Classic thor has tanked blasts from celestials his entire career and even tanked blast from an enraged odin. Thor damage soak is better than Supes; this shouldnt even be debated. Again, Titus and Despero one shotted Supes, a Supes that is in his 30's and BOR is above them both. Classic thor has never been one shotted to my knowledge by beings that is either on his level or above, so him saying that a lick from bor would have killed him if he didnt possess the odin force is a HUGE compliment on bors part.
Bor should win this against any high herald, mid herald, low herald, in one panel, stop being bias. I love Gladiator but BOR should be able to take his head clean off with one punch if he wanted.
Originally posted by carver9Again, the Titus story isn't current in the train of continuity, it was meant to meant to happen way in the past, if it's continuity at all. A jet was faster than Superman by his own admission. Wally West suddenly had BLONDE hair for this story. And the JLA team assembled hasn't been together for a very long time.
Again, Titus and Despero one shotted Supes, a Supes that is in his 30's and BOR is above them both.
And if we did decide it was current, and in continuity, anyone who can block all of West's superspeed attacks as if he was just as fast, grab Superman and Wonder Woman out of the air and clap them together and take them out of the fight for a while, and proceed to mop up the entire JLA, might as well be considered tougher than most characters you can think up, given what those characters can do/have done individually.
Originally posted by Trackztrick, is that you?
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Originally posted by AllanklesBy the underlined blanket statement, then I'm justified in saying that Thor one-shots H/P Doomsday. Nobody uses crossovers for comparisons. Fact is, based on everything we've seen Thor and Superman are comparable foes and they're just about roughly as equally as hard to take down barring plot device. But if you care to ignore that, more power to you. Just be careful with your generalizations, as you're starting to get close to suggesting that without a canon crossover, other folks can't legitimately argue what the likely outcomes would be. All that takes is imagination.
Again this where you missed my point to Carver. Just because it would stop classic Thor doesn't mean it has any relevance to Supes. If you're basing this off of their meeting in a cross over you'd be wrong. Superman doesn't have to abide by another universe's rules.More than that, the only indication it would stop Classic Thor are Thor's words himself. Given the actual evidence of what he faced from Bor, we are open to interpret how such blows would affect Superman. I don't think they would affect a peak Superman anymore than they affected Thor in that fight.
Please. First of all, magic. Second of all, magic. Third of all, Thor's taken about as good as Superman has taken, all things considered equal. So when Thor amped up, says he woulda been one-shotted... you can take that to the bank almost as much as if an amped Superman said the same thing.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhich Braniac are you referring to. And how did he take on Mageddon? By the plot device of absorbing his energy source? This is your comparison? Which of these foes did a regular Superman take out without plot device or ampage? Please tell me which ones.
Seeing how Superman has been able to battle creatures more than capable of destroying planets and stars (Braniac, Mageddon?) Why would I need to substantiate. Superman himself has threatened planets in fights and has delivered blows that rattled a solar system. This is the problem of comparing a one off character against a guy who's fought and overcome much greater odds.Another problem with you reasoning here. You can't assume Bor is more durable than a celestial since said celestials wouldn't fall to Thor. The feat with the celestial is entirely unrelated to Bor, unless these events happened in the same story arch. Why make dishonest comparisons?
Never said Bor was more durable than a Celestial. Said that his durability can be extrapolated from the fact that Mjolnir didn't shatter when it unleashed a strike that caused planetary devastation when hitting a Celestial. But Mjolnir shattered when it killed Bor. You say dishonest, I say think about it.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, Superman is not. You're welcome to prove it though.
He might one shot kill a teenage Superman, not a 30 something Supes with centuries worth of experience and over 3 decades of gaining strength from the yellow sun.Sorry, just because Classic Thor gets wrecked doesn't mean Superman would, they are not in the same company and don't operate by the same rules. Superman is more than capable of raising his performances given his opponent or circumstances .e.g. absorbing the Mageddon war head, that's certainly more destructive energy than Bor could ever dish out if he tried.
Supes is a better clutch player than Thor anyway, always has always will be.
Originally posted by AllanklesSo you think Superman is as durable as Odin Force Thor and a lot more durable than Classic?
More than that, the only indication it would stop Classic Thor are Thor's words himself. Given the actual evidence of what he faced from Bor, we are open to interpret how such blows would affect Superman. I don't think they would affect a peak Superman anymore than they affected Thor in that fight.
Not to mention it being magic, as I see ODG mentioned.
Originally posted by TrackzLOL know you are just trolling i already explain to you this like 8 pages ago
what durability feats does OF Thor have?
1 Tanks a blast from destroyer which killed his classic self.
2. Tanked an amped Stormbreaker "Too the chest mind you" Throw from a super skrulls that would of level a city.
4 The fight with Bor then shows how the Odinpower saved him Thor amping his durability beyond his classic levels
5.Bor himself comfirmed Thor was using the Odin power
6. Strange when fixing Mjolnir stated that once he using Thor's Odinpower his power level will go back down to where it was before he gained the Odinpower "his classic level"
