Originally posted by Parmaniac
Without PIS/CIS Apocalypse is a DD that doesn't need to die to adapt his powers are described as following:
His molecular control of his own form doesn't work like Doomsday's adaptation, though. He basically makes himself as tough as he can be and can only go higher by increasing his size and such. DD's permanent adaptations make him stronger and tougher than Apoc's peak, Apoc has never been at a level where he could solo three top-tiers at once, like how DD took on Supes, Orion, and Martian Manhunter at the same time.
H/P DD takes this.
he rarely steps outside of the "x-men universe" though, plus his character has always been the guy behind the scenes pulling strings, fighting the likes of thor and the like just never happened.
as for team stomping, he's beaten and enslaved the inhumans (w/blackbolt present), beaten the x-men gold team while severely weakened, and while fighting ikaris, it was revealed that he was an enemy of the eternals for thousands of years. and there are hundreds of eternals.
as long as he's healthy, physically he''s pretty much undefeatable cause of his powers.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Not suprising since he was basically saying Supes is over a million times stronger than Thor but can still loose to him because of magic. I guess Harry Potter has a shot too. 😉
A millions times. Hmm, so someone who has just 95% of Superman powers is 95% a million times more powerful then Thor. Since that's what a char needs to beat DD, that means that only Marvel chars who are at least 95%million times more powerful then Thor can beat DD. And since DD has not Supes Magic weakness, i see little hope for Thor.
Great logic Quan. That said HP DD should stomp and this thread ist spite.
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Not even Thanos is a million times more powerful then Thor. I accept your opinion about this writer Quan. His word > mine or yours I guess. 😄
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeLOL.
I understodd it differently. Superman isn't using even 95 percent of his power because of his moral code. He holds back. So a not holding back type would need only 95% of Supermans real (and unknown) power to be really bad ass.Since you place the opinion of Dan Jurgens so high, you also agree on the follwing part of the same interview`🙂.
"RC: In the books these days, the "magic weakness" is almost never there.
DAN JURGENS: I know. I know. Straight up? Superman is more powerful, but because of the magic weakness . . . but because of the magic component, Thor wins.
RC: In your opinion, is Superman is a lot more powerful than Thor?
DAN JURGENS: Yeah.
RC: Wow. When you worked on DC Vs. Marvel and pitted Quicksilver against Flash, you guys had boosted Quicksilver up to the speed of sound while Flash was running at multiples of the speed of light or whatever . . . would you say that Superman is as many times more powerful than Thor or the Hulk as Flash is as many times faster than Quicksilver?
DAN JURGENS: Yes.
RC: Wouldn’t that make Superman, like, millions of times more powerful than Thor?
DAN JURGENS: Yes."
He later went on to deny those statements. The interviewer led him down that road and he later denied them.
It's obvious he wasn't serious, but the man had to deny it later. I mean anyone could tell he's being sarcastic.
DAN JURGENS: Yes.
RC: Wouldn’t that make Superman, like, millions of times more powerful than Thor?
DAN JURGENS: Yes.
Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments.
According to jurgens though Thor beats Superman.
To make a long story short, Thor beats superman and at 95 percent of Superman's power had he been raised differently this person beats Dd.
^Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments.
He was asked to. 😉 Because they knew how much this interview would piss of the Marvel fans.
RC: Maybe you should take this time to get back in good with all of the Thor fans you ticked off with your take on Superman and Thor’s powers? Superman vs. the Odin-Powered Thor . . . who wins?
They asked him to revoke his statement. Though he indeed was honest when he gave us his opinion. Reminds me of Gallileo Gallilei 😂
To make a long story short. Without magic weakness Superman, who is a million times more poweful then Thor, beats Thor everytime and everyone who isn't at least a million times more powerful then Thor.
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I like your opinion on this Quan, great Interview, I couldn't agree more with you 😉.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeNo, he recanted it. Rc is a huge fanboy who led the entire interview to make superman into a more favorable light. If you read the entire interview it's obvious with the DD talk, the Seid talk and everything centering around Superman and how powerful he is.
^Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds [b]no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments.He was asked to. 😉 Because they knew how much this interview would piss of the Marvel fans.
RC: Maybe you should take this time to get back in good with all of the Thor fans you ticked off with your take on Superman and Thor’s powers? Superman vs. the Odin-Powered Thor . . . who wins?
They asked him to revoke his statement. Though he indeed was honest when he gave us his opinion. Reminds me of Gallileo Gallilei 😂
To make a long story short. Without magic weakness Superman, who is a million times more poweful then Thor, beats Thor everytime and everyone who isn't at least a million times more powerful then Thor.
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I like your opinion on this Quan, great Interview, I couldn't agree more with you 😉. [/B]
Thor beats Superman according to him and recanted the statement concerning Thor's power level in comparison to Superman's. Most on these boards know this, but a typical superman fan will pretend he didn't recant that ridiculous statement.
I proved you wrong yet again.
Wrong. Thor beats him silly without the magical weakness, but according to Jurgens he beats him because of it.
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You want to disregard Superman's weaknesses and writer's opinions all in order to favor superman. Figures. 😂
^That must really hurt. Your bias exposed. Taking only the parts you agree with, without sharing the whole source, so no one knows the whole truth. Dismissing the parts you don't agree with. Ignoring everything that doesn't suit your opinion. Your doublestandard exposed.
You just proved yourself wrong again. Congratulations quan.
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^That must really hurt. Your bias exposed. Taking only the parts you agree with, without sharing the whole source, so no one knows the whole truth.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Im not going to take a side on this, but u were arguing against Thanos in the Thanos vs Supes thread. If that isn't bias, then IDK what is.
You know. Normal Superman against Thanos would be like normal Superman against an Darkseid Avatar. Supes would most probably lose. OWAW state of mind Superman is a little bit tougher IMHO. It wouldn't be the stomp some people believe it to be. Simple. Superman has the showings he needs to fight enemies on Thanos level without being completly stomped.
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Except of this. As Quan explained, Superman isn't using even 95% of his own power. We don't know how much he holds back but if he would only use 95% of his own power, though with an all out state of mind, he should be able to kill HP DD (who in turn would dominate Thanos [without prep]). And HP DD dominated Superman in that arc, not only Superman but also others who are > a normal state of mind Superman.
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And as we now know, thanks to Quan, Superman is at least a million times more powerful then Thor, even when he holds back. That says a lot. How many times is Thanos more powerful then Thor? 😉
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uhuh
Question!
Didn't Superman die in DoS precisely *because* he was using 100% of his power? He drained his batteries dry in that fight and he was pushing as hard as he could.
He didn't fight as *effectively* as he did in OWAW (with additional training), but in terms of just putting as much strength as he could into blows, I do think he was hitting DD with everything he could.
Originally posted by Q99
Question!Didn't Superman die in DoS precisely *because* he was using 100% of his power? He drained his batteries dry in that fight and he was pushing as hard as he could.
He didn't fight as *effectively* as he did in OWAW (with additional training), but in terms of just putting as much strength as he could into blows, I do think he was hitting DD with everything he could.
Don't tell anyone but the Supes from DOS has still to digest the after effects of the Byrne run. THAT depleted him 😉
DOS DD was also one of the weakest incarnations of DD.
I liked DOS btw, very enjoyable though I wished Supes would have stayed dead.
Originally posted by Q99
Question!Didn't Superman die in DoS precisely *because* he was using 100% of his power? He drained his batteries dry in that fight and he was pushing as hard as he could.
He didn't fight as *effectively* as he did in OWAW (with additional training), but in terms of just putting as much strength as he could into blows, I do think he was hitting DD with everything he could.
he held back in DOS until that last punch. he said so himself.
Originally posted by Q99
When did he say that? He definitely put everything he had left into his last punch, but that's not quite the same thing as holding back before then.
IIRC he said that he has to become as ruthless as the creature he fights. That means he had to convince himself that killing is indeed the only option he has, which would mean that he held back till the last blow I guess.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI never even brought up Thor. You brought him into this discussion which had nothing to do at all with DD. Then you fail to mention he recanted those statements. Either way you have it even if he didn't make those statements he still had Thor beating superman either way in his scenario.
^That must really hurt. Your bias exposed. Taking only the parts you agree with, without sharing the whole source, so no one knows the whole truth. Dismissing the parts you don't agree with. Ignoring everything that doesn't suit your opinion. Your doublestandard exposed.You just proved yourself wrong again. Congratulations quan.
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You bringing Thor into this is ridiculous and nothing to do at all with DD.
Nothing I stated was out of context like your statements were. That's the difference between myself and biased posters like yourself.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeWhich showings does he have against similar opponents. Not telling posters here the actual feats in question you keep referring to is a poor debating tactic. I see your bluff and you won't even name the characters names or situations.
You know. Normal Superman against Thanos would be like normal Superman against an Darkseid Avatar. Supes would most probably lose. OWAW state of mind Superman is a little bit tougher IMHO. It wouldn't be the stomp some people believe it to be. Simple. Superman has the showings he needs to fight enemies on Thanos level without being completly stomped.😐
Except of this. As Quan explained, Superman isn't using even 95% of his own power. We don't know how much he holds back but if he would only use 95% of his own power, though with an all out state of mind, he should be able to kill HP DD (who in turn would dominate Thanos [without prep]). And HP DD dominated Superman in that arc, not only Superman but also others who are > a normal state of mind Superman.
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And as we now know, thanks to Quan, Superman is at least a million times more powerful then Thor, even when he holds back. That says a lot. How many times is Thanos more powerful then Thor? 😉
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uhuh
What also did he do in owaw that makes you believe this Superman has a chance against Thanos? Stalemating Ds? Oh look out!!!!!!!!!! What a feat.
No, using 95 percent of his own power and had he BEEN RAISED DIFFERENTLY. That's another key point and more context you keep leaving out. If he were raised on apokolips, but guess what? He wasn't.
Here's the same writer denouncing the statement found in the same interview.
Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments.
I'll expose you leaving out the context each and every time. You're biased.
^from you a compliment
Editor's Note: Since publishing of the interview, Dan Jurgens has further expanded on his answer, contradicting the transcript of the interview. ComicBoards has listened to the tape and finds no indication of humor, sarcasm, irony or sardonic whit in Jurgens' statements or Richard Caponetti's questions. While we can't know what Mr. Jurgens was thinking, or if he silently laughed to himself or in a manner that could not be heard by the tape or by the interviewer, by all apperarences, Jurgens' comments here are genuine. ComicBoards stands by the interviewer in his assesments.
read the bold part, he meant what he said. 😉
And to this statement. It pretty much proves this. 😐
You are just pissed because you have been owned by your own double standard. 😉