Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Woah. Quadra-post. There's an Edit button you know.When you speak of activating the Halos, do you really think the blast is going to somehow send the Star Wars galaxy into "tatters"? Obviously the galaxy itself won't be hit, and the droids will still be active. If this is a prolonged engagement, the "stealthy" Covenent/Earth armadas still won't be able to take on the rest of the galaxy.
And unless Elite and Spartan armor is made of Cortosis or Phrik(or God willing, Mandalorian Iron[which it isn't]), then lightsabers will sheer right through them. Plasma burns through them, lightsabers will too.
And an Elite vs. a (competent, non-Coleman Trebor) Jedi is likely to lose. I don't think the energy sword will falter, but the pre-cog. of the Jedi, and their Force powers (something no Elite is used to) will win for the Jedi the majority of occasions. Unless of course that Jedi is a dumbass and decides on a solo mission. Or something.
Oh and if this were the Empire vs. Halo, the Empire will win even faster than this situation.
Agreed.
Originally posted by BoratBorat
Single fighter? Thats because the rebels KNEW WHERE to shoot, do you think the gaylo verse knows the weakness of the death star? No.And he simply said "SW vs gaylo" so i assumed all of SW vs gaylo which would mean SW annihilates them with utter ease, especially when there are billions of individuals making up the entire military force in SW along with palpatine, exar kun and all those powerhouses.
first off Gaylo? Yea...that's original almost as original as Mass Defect… come on, guys, lets come up with some new stuff.
Secondly: The opening clearly stated
the halo forces consist of both covinent and human at full strength (before war numbers but full war tech and spartans etc) starwars is beggining of clone wars, with massive droid armies clones and a fair few jediso no, it is not ALL of Star Wars vs. ALL of Halo, it is beginning of Clone Wars Star Wars vs. Pre-War Halo.
This means: No Star Forge, No Death Star, No Sun Crusher, No Spartan III's, No Flood (which I will admit voids some of what I said), etc.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Star Wars should win in total, yes. I can not imagine the usage of "Halo" to be an option. I still see Halo do well on the ground, especially with the Spartan bullet-time stuff and their various gadgets.The "Earth based" weapons might prove incapable of taking down Stormtroopers though, which ends up a problem unless the Spartans are good in numbers and simply go all acrobatic and punch the enemies down inside the Star Wars lines.
Well considering a primitive race of small bear-like creatures using rocks and sticks were able to take out a good number of Storm Troopers, I think the Spartans would have no trouble at all in that department.
In the end, I still Say Star Wars would win, simply because of the force users. But if you removed them, I think Halo would give Star Wars a run for their money.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i honestly dont think a jedi would be able to do very much in a fight like this. human projectile weapons would destroy a jedi pretty easily because of the nature of a lightsaber, and elites have reaction times on par with the chief, who perceives bullets in slow motion.
There is a fight between Obi-Wan and Durge in the CW cartoons, where Kenobi deflects the projectiles of some semi-automatic weapon (kind of a "needle-thrower" or something like that) using the force. He simply repels the projectiles, which should be something that every force user (telekinesis) could potentially pull off. That aside, they could just rip the projectile weapons out of the peoples hands.
That aside: What do you think would happen, if a bullet hits a lightsaber blade? Given that those weapon vaporize space age metals upon contact, I don't see bullets standing a chance against them.
And while the Elites may be equipped with some nice reflexes, they have no defense against force attacks. Drop the likes of Sidious or Yoda on a battlefield and watch how the Elites keep dodging buildings thrown at them or invisible force attacks.
leap out of the way? when have they ever done that before?
In TPM, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are running away from blaster bolt spamming Droidekas. In RotS, Yoda is seen to deflect about 40 blaster bolts in less than 3 seconds, which would equal a rate of fire of about 800 rounds per minute.
Not that Jedi would matter that much in ground combat, given that we have a virtual unlimited number of droids and clones fighting on the SW side here, armed with weapons far more lethal than those carried by the Halo ground-troops.
What do you think would happen, if a bullet hits a lightsaber blade? Given that those weapon vaporize space age metals upon contact, I don't see bullets standing a chance against them.
The issue of bullets is pretty much unsettled?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The mass from the bullet has to go somewhere. The bullets can't just disappear, and if they sublimated instantly then there would be some kind of (lethal?) shockwave.
Really? I must have missed millions of reports dealing with the casualities caused by dry ice, which sublimates under heat input. That aside, one should notice that sublimation is a common phenomenon happening, when material is hit by a high-impulse laser beam. Again without a killer-shockwave appearing.
Then you may want to consider the fact, that a usual projectile has a mass of 10 to 50 grams, and that, even should a noticeable shockwave appear, it would be directed away from the lightsaber wielder and not to him...
One possibility is that, given the resistance Jinn experienced against the blast door in TPM there is interaction and the bullets would simply be deflected.
He easily rams his lightsaber into the door first, before the real "blast doors" are closed. And even those don't "stop" when coming into contact with the blade but are instantly cut before the lightsaber starts to melt the material around the original entry-point. Which happens within seconds...
The issue of bullets is pretty much unsettled?
Just if one follows the idea, that a Jedi would attempt to deflect a bullet with a lightsaber, instead of manipulating the bullet in a Magneto-esque fashion or dodging them. Seems odd, especially when you take precognition and superhuman reflexes into consideration...
Or just ask yourself the question, why a Jedi would even openly engage enemies using projectile weapons...
Or just ask yourself the question, why a Jedi would even openly engage enemies using projectile weapons...
Really? I must have missed millions of reports dealing with the casualities caused by dry ice, which sublimates under heat input. That aside, one should notice that sublimation is a common phenomenon happening, when material is hit by a high-impulse laser beam. Again without a killer-shockwave appearing.
it would be directed away from the lightsaber wielder and not to him...
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Not this. The key word was "instantly." If the lightsaber caused the phase change to occur fast enough then it seems like it could cause some damage? I really don't know- this is pure intuition.
Obviously not the entire projectile will be "instantly" vaporized. Of course, it will be a very fast process, starting with the front of the projectile. The point is that, following the second law of thermodynamics, the product of this sublimation (gas) will be subject to an uniform distribution. As the reaction is obviously an endothermic one, damage could only occur via pressure from the expanding "gas cloud", which would be a very small gas cloud, provided the original mass of the bullet.
Why? The momentum either carries the plasma through the blade into the jedi or it causes an omnidirectional blast (or the bullet is reflected). I think.
I) Momentum depends on the mass of the object. In our case, said object - the projectile - is going to be destroyed via collision with an ultra high energy lightbeam.
II) The result of that reaction won't be able to pass through the blade. So if the result was some kind of plasma, it would be reflected - much like blaster bolts (which ARE plasma beams) are bouncing away from the blade. If it's a gas cloud, it's going to vanish (uniform destribution).
III) The "omnidirectional blast" would be the above mentioned expanding "gas cloud" generated out of 10 to 50 grams of the material the projectile consisted off.
But even if we assume, that this would generate any considerable blast. I don't think this would be enough to hurt a Jedi, provided what Obi-Wan takes in his fight with Jango Fett in AotC (rocket exploding right in front of him, turbolaser impacts right next to him...).