James Cameron's work might be Racist?

Started by Bardock429 pages

I don't really like how they arrive at the "adjusted for inflation" thing, it's not quite fair, it's definitely better than absolutely unadjusted.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I'm not ignoring...just pointing out other charts from your site.

It was a completely irrelevant link to post then, so please do not waste time.

Can we keep this one on topic, please?

Originally posted by Deadline
You know what I think you're wrong.

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml

People are at the heart of Rodgers’s work. Painstaking research, excellent synthesis of a wide-range of disparate sources and penetrating analysis have combined to yield some extraordinary facts about the sorts of people who were involved in the slaving economies. There is the example of the Latouches of Rathfarnham near Dublin, who were plantation owners in Jamaica with multiple representations in Irish House of Commons. Or the aforementioned Richard Hare, who paid more than £6000 per annum in customs duties. The book also provides fresh angles on the careers of some better-known figures, situating them within the structure of the book’s analysis. For example, Olaudah Equiano’s biography is set in the Irish context of slavery (and vice versa) as Rodgers explores his time on Montserrat. Similarly, what is one to make of the raft of Anglo-Irish gentry who clamoured for preferment and the Gubernatorial residence in Jamaica? The Earl of Moira tried and failed to be appointed. The Earl of Belmore held the office during the so-called Baptist War of 1831-2, one of the largest slave rebellions in the Americas, in which over 60,000 enslaved may have taken part, leaving 14 Europeans and 207 enslaved Africans dead. It resulted in the trial of 626 and the execution of 312 enslaved and, ultimately, precipitated the British Parliamentary ending of slavery itself only a few years later. Presiding over that very move from slavery to emancipation was the Marquis of Sligo. But, yet, even as he is associated with the emancipation of the enslaved in Jamaica, he too had an interest in the slave-holding system that he was charged with dismantling. The Browne family had acquired plantations in 1752 through marriage to Elizabeth, only daughter and heiress of Denis Kelly of Lisaduff, County Galway, and chief Justice of Jamaica. This financial shot in the arm initiated the upward ascent of the Brownes from mere Viscounts to Earls of Altamount and subsequently to Marquises of Sligo, living in a distinguished Neo-classical home, designed by Richard Cassels, on the shores of Clew Bay. It was in this context that the Marquis of Sligo claimed compensation for 286 slaves, receiving £5,526-9-1.

http://www.reform.org/TheReformMovement_files/article_files/articles/empire.htm

The armed services provided a still more important Imperial outlet for Irishmen of all religions and classes. For Irish as for Scottish university graduates, openings in the Indian army offered them ‘a stake in defending national, that is to say British, interests’.22 Protestant Ireland was over-represented among officers in the Bengal army between 1758 and 1834,23 as also in the British army.

Both Roberts and Beresford chose Irish as well as colonial designations when accepting peerages; but in other cases, Irish birth was incidental or even embarrassing to the heroes of Britain’s colonial wars.

Doesn't seem like one or two people to me.

oh sweet christ.

look at the years when that happened.

back then? irish people THEMSELVES were slaves.

Originally posted by -Pr-
oh sweet christ.

look at the years when that happened.

back then? irish people THEMSELVES were slaves.

That's not really relevant. Black people participated eagerly in the slave trade.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's not really relevant. Black people participated eagerly in the slave trade.

the irish people back then were under the heel of the british. the only people who had any power or any influence were the anglo-irish (who yes, had slaves). they were not representative of the irish people or the irish nationality.

This is spectacularly NOT the topic. You should know better, PR.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
This is spectacularly NOT the topic. You should know better, PR.

i was giving him the courtesy of a reply, nothing more.

Then you should have done it by PM- getting another comment in on something off-topic is still just off-topic, and there are no such excuses for it after such a clear declaration by a mod.

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Ok, next person who makes an off-topic post here gets an official warning as a prelude to a ban.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Then you should have done it by PM- getting another comment in on something off-topic is still just off-topic, and there are no such excuses for it after such a clear declaration by a mod.

facepalm

fine, whatever.

no, avatar isn't racist. anyone who thinks it is, is being an idiot.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, next person who makes an off-topic post here gets an official warning as a prelude to a ban.

Ush wants us to talk about racism. 😉

I will just raise the point...why is this film even consider racist?

The accusation is that it conforms to a stereotype that non-white races can only stand up for thesmelves when helped by a white hero.

Avatar is a retelling of the story Pocahontas. Pocahontas is based on a true story. Can a true story be racist in the way this thread is questioning?

Well, that is always found in practically 50-80% (or even higher) of sci-fi/fantasy works. Which coincidently is writen by anglo-white (no emphasis) folks.

So, yeah...it's blatant racist.

First of all, the parallels with Pocahontas do not stand up to scrutinity; Dances with Wolves or Ferngully is better.

Secondly, yes, because the Pocahontas story is exceptionally racist and was part of a culture used as justification for 'civilising' the native AMeircans.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Well, that is always found in practically 50-80% (or even higher) of sci-fi/fantasy works. Which coincidently is writen by anglo-white (no emphasis) folks.

Err... no. The concept under discussion here does not happen in the majority of sci-fi films. This is simply an untrue statement.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err... no. The concept under discussion here does not happen in the majority of sci-fi films. This is simply an untrue statement.

If you read my post carefully I stated "sci-fi/fantasy works" which is a true statement.

Edit (going off topic please disregard since I can't delete post)

My apologies.

No it is not a true statement. Is is an actively untrue statement.