spider-man & venom(gargan) vs wolverine & sabretooth

as much as ppl would like to think that team 2 wouldnt mesh together in team work they really would it is their black ops training that allows them to pick up where they left off.. sabe wouldnt let someone else hurt kill logan when he is there and wants his death to be at his hands so he will fight to defend and protect logan. also wolverine has stated on panel that they can easily go back to team mode cooperation due to their past training and working together they both know what to do and how to work together without saying a word.

anyways spidey gets kill by either one of them and having gargan makes it worse its like throwing in a handicap grenade that goes off in his hand sooner or later

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Then I'm going with H1a8

😆 OK then...

Sabes uses thunderclaps and ground pounds.

Logan - omnidirectional chi attacks.

I say make this KGB Spider-man and we can all gtfo

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sabes uses thunderclaps and ground pounds.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I wouldn't be suprised if this happens, going by Luke Cage and his showing recently.

What issue?

I don't know take a look in the character ownage thread, Cage thunderclaps

Thanks. I guess it's from new-New Avengers... written by Bendis... he has a man crush on Cage.

Gargan the Great uses his reality warp so the battle is now him and Logan/Creed as a team vs Spidey. Then he pwns spidey in half a panel by using Gargan-jitsu pinky toe death touch.

As for speed, Spidey has gone his whole life avoiding bullets or else he'll die! Wolverine thanks god for that healing factor!! without it he would be dead before 80 yr!

team 2

Team 2 wins.

team 2 takes this, wolverine and creed have tagged Spiderman before, no reason why they couldnt do it again, and as soon as they do it will be bad news for spiderman

In the whole of Manhattan- Team 1.

In a phone booth- Team 2.

I'm going with Team 2

Gargan the great solos... The JLA.

the issue is ppl are arguing based on different premises. The spidey side is arguing based more on power sets. The wolve side is arguing based more on showing.

Both are valid and both are used as evidence on this forum. I think showings tend to have more weight here. Until its settled what type of arguments we are going to use we're not going to get anywhere. spidey's stated powerset is so different from his showings. surfer is kinda the same but we still have a couple feats showing his potential (which usually count more than avg showings here.)

sometimes we can just call it psi and csi but sometimes it happens so much its hard to separate it

Actually spidey's showings>>>>>>than his stated power set.
His spider sense was shown to be so acute than it enable him to dodge homing lasers and many other energy projection beams.

His strength was shown so great (more than enough times) that he could be legitimately considered at least a class 50.

His speed was shown so great that he is easy as least as fast as a bullet.

His webbing was shown to be so strong that one strand is capable of pulling 10 tons.

Spidey has low showings too that contradict his power set. We don't use these here since characters are always fighting to their best ability.

"In addition, Wolverine’s healing factor provides him with an extended lifespan by slowing the effects of the aging process. Although over a century old, Wolverine is as healthy and physically fit as a man in his prime. "

"Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die."

http://marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_%28James_Howlett%29?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Pulse255&utm_term=Link8&utm_content=COW&utm_campaign=Pulse255Newsletter09012010

As much as I respect Wolverine, Logan fans, E.A.D.

Spidey and :😖igh:: Gargan'a power set > Logan and creed's

Spidey's showing depends on the writer's care for his actual powers. Spidey's a character that was never meant to seem omnipotent in his struggles as a blooming teenager. But unfortunately as an adult this theme was continued thus he gets depowered while facing certain humans and super humans, when he really only has business fighting super powers. Logan and creed equal dangerous, but do not equal super powers.

With Spidey's superpowers and genius, he really has no business being Marvel's laughing boy once he, you know, gets past puberty and marries a hot model... most underestimated character ever.

Logan is most overrated, and Creed is only around to make Logan look good to be dreadfully honest.

Gargan equals grand fail. Eddie Brock would crush him in a venom vs venom battle.

Originally posted by Spiderninja008
""Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die."

fail.

Logan is most overrated, and Creed is only around to make Logan look good to be dreadfully honest.

How does Creed molesting Logan over and over make Logan look good?

Gargan equals grand fail. Eddie Brock would crush him in a venom vs venom battle.

Nobody beats Gargan the great, he soloes.

Logan and creed equal dangerous, but do not equal super powers.

With Spidey's superpowers and genius (...)

Huh? Spidey got super powers but Logan/Creed do not??

Well since Gargan can beat Daken and Bullseye at the same time. 😏