Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is you can't pick and choose one showing over another. You want to disregard one showing of power while highlighting another.

The feat done by the un doesn't override the ig's place over the un. You can't prove scope equates superior power and can't prove the ig couldn't replicate such a feat. Ig is more powerful. You can tell with both devices in the same story which was more powerful.

Not being able to prove that the IG couldn't replicate it is a negative fallacy. You can't prove that the UN couldn't achieve an even exponentially greater feat than it already did. Let's see where the escalating speculative nonsense ends. And lulz at using your jaundiced account of one story to suggest which is more powerful (who's picking and choosing now?). Hell, I could use Day of Vengeance and conclude that Black Alice is more powerful than Spectre. Wouldn't make that notion any less absurd.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not picking and choosing. I'm taking the best of what's been shown so far of both and comparing. Picking and choosing suggests that I'm setting something aside arbitrarily. Like, when you wish to set aside embarassing limitations of the IG.

Not being able to prove that the IG couldn't replicate it is a negative fallacy. You can't prove that the UN couldn't achieve an even exponentially greater feat than it already did. Let's see where the escalating speculative nonsense ends. And lulz at using your jaundiced account of one story to suggest which is more powerful (who's picking and choosing now?). Hell, I could use Day of Vengeance and conclude that Black Alice is more powerful than Spectre. Wouldn't make that notion any less absurd.

Who said BA is more powerful than the Spectre? Not me. She can steal his power which doesn't prove she's more powerful only she can steal his power.

The ig has limitless power and has proven so on panel.

Infinity being more powerful than your precious un so in turn so is the ig.

^ Yes. On-panel limitations of the 616 IG curb whatever lofty expectations you project onto the it. And rightly so. What limitations has the UN's power shown?

Yea. Your convenient narrowing down of what actually happened is pretty analogous to Magus v. Quasar. Who said incomplete IG is more powerful than the UN? Not me. He can turn its nullification field back onto Quasar which doesn't prove it's more powerful only that it can turn it's nullification field back onto its wielder.

Not really. Full IG couldn't do an awful lot of things and that's been proven so on panel.

Lulz at reaching for the Infinity Being like it means anything. That's about as silly as me reaching for the UN's origins in a pre-Big Bang cosmos as a part of Galactus like that means something. You act like the UN isn't the only thing that has greater feats of power over the universal IG. Newsflash, a lot of characters and artifacts are despite your lofty proclamations to the contrary. Projecting your personal feelings concerning the IG onto me is pure comedy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes. On-panel limitations of the 616 IG curb whatever lofty expectations you project onto the it. And rightly so. What limitations has the UN's power shown?

Yea. Your convenient narrowing down of what actually happened is pretty analogous to Magus v. Quasar. Who said incomplete IG is more powerful than the UN? Not me. He can turn its nullification field back onto Quasar which doesn't prove it's more powerful only that it can turn it's nullification field back onto its wielder.

Not really. Full IG couldn't do an awful lot of things and that's been proven so on panel.

Lulz at reaching for the Infinity Being like it means anything. That's about as silly as me reaching for the UN's origins in a pre-Big Bang cosmos as a part of Galactus like that means something. You act like the UN isn't the only thing that has greater feats of power over the universal IG. Newsflash, a lot of characters and artifacts are despite your lofty proclamations to the contrary. Projecting your personal feelings concerning the IG onto me is pure comedy.

You wanting to distance yourself because you know deep down this is a point even you won't dare cross.

The ig never attempted the same feat so using a feat never attempted as proof of it's superiority is laughable. It's like saying Thor lifted three jupiters I guess he is stronger than WB Hulk even though he never attempted the same strength feat.

Feats are fine and dandy but they have never been the deciding factor. We have to take into account the story, the writer's intent, the power involved, etc. as opposed to one badass feat as the end all be all deciding factor in things such as this.

Eternity referred to it as absolute power. It's because it was. Hands down, bar none. Eternity isn't petitioning a court to acquire the un. Don't be ridiculous.

So, if a threat has multiversal power other than the un does this make this threat more powerful than the ig?

^ Yes. And we've seen absolutely nothing from the Infinity Being. The only incarnation we have seen is the lulztastic Nemesis. Thanks for the reminder.

Distance myself from lulztastic Nemesis? Which is the only on-panel reference we have? You sir, misunderstand me.

Who cares if the IG never attempted it. UN achieved an exponentially superior feat on-panel. Negative proof fallacy doesn't change your wishful speculation into anything substantial. And turing that utterly craptastic logic onto you, I could just speculate that the UN could achieve an even more exponentially greater feat than the instant destruction/recreation of the multiverse. Where you at now with this nonsense? Square one. That's why its a fallacy.

On-panel feats are conclusive forms of evidence. To channel Yoda: "Exponentially greater feat outweighed by that list of stuff you spewed is not."

*yawn* So have cosmic cubes, excalibur, UN, Galactus, etc. etc. *yawn*

Sending reverberations into the multiverse is not a multiversal power. If something has the capacity to destroy the multiverse all at once, then yes, it's more powerful than the IG. If something has the capacity to recreate the multiverse all at once, then yes, it's more powerful than the IG. If something has the capacity to manipulate the multiverse all at once, then yes, it's more powerful than the IG. What do you have in mind?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes. And we've seen absolutely nothing from the Infinity Being. The only incarnation we have seen is the lulztastic Nemesis. Thanks for the reminder.

Distance myself from lulztastic Nemesis? Which is the only on-panel reference we have? You sir, misunderstand me.

Who cares if the IG never attempted it. UN achieved an exponentially superior feat on-panel. Negative proof fallacy doesn't change your wishful speculation into anything substantial. And turing that utterly craptastic logic onto you, I could just speculate that the UN could achieve an even more exponentially greater feat than the instant destruction/recreation of the multiverse. Where you at now with this nonsense? Square one. That's why its a fallacy.

On-panel feats are conclusive forms of evidence. To channel Yoda: "Exponentially greater feat outweighed by that list of stuff you spewed is not."

*yawn* So have cosmic cubes, excalibur, UN, Galactus, etc. etc. *yawn*

Sending reverberations into the multiverse is not a multiversal power. If something has the capacity to destroy the multiverse all at once, then yes, it's more powerful than the IG. If something has the capacity to recreate the multiverse all at once, then yes, it's more powerful than the IG. If something has the capacity to manipulate the multiverse all at once, then yes, it's more powerful than the IG. What do you have in mind?

Sending reverberations throughout the multiverse is something you claim the ig cannot do so by your own criteria Odin's more powerful than the ig.

Odg's assessments. Un>Odin>ig.

It looks ridiculous but according to your logic there you have it.

I guess Mxy is more powerful than the ig.

You have disregarded common sense, on panel comparisons, and bios which support our side of this debate while the feat is the only thing you can cling to even though you know it's not the intelligent way to decide these matters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess you can't make rational observations without mindblowing feats. I thought more of you, but I guess I gave you too much credit.

Sending reverberations throughout the multiverse is something you claim the ig cannot do so by your own criteria Odin's more powerful than the ig.

Odg's assessments. Un>Odin>ig.

It looks ridiculous but according to your logic there you have it.

I guess Mxy is more powerful than the ig.

You have disregarded common sense, on panel comparisons, and bios which support our side of this debate while the feat is the only thing you can cling to even though you know it's not the intelligent way to decide these matters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess you can't make rational observations without mindblowing feats. I thought more of you, but I guess I gave you too much credit.

Sending reverberations throughout the multiverse is something you claim the ig cannot do so by your own criteria Odin's more powerful than the ig.

Odg's assessments. Un>Odin>ig.

It looks ridiculous but according to your logic there you have it.

I guess Mxy is more powerful than the ig.

You have disregarded common sense, on panel comparisons, and bios which support our side of this debate while the feat is the only thing you can cling to even though you know it's not the intelligent way to decide these matters.

When did I ever say the IG couldn't send reverberations through the multiverse?

When did you start putting words into my mouth in a desperate ploy to suggest to others that you actually have a leg to stand on? Oops. From the start. Cute.

It does look ridiculous. I'd be insulted if I thought a single person here other than you sincerely believed that I was arguing that Odin > IG. Luckily that isn't the case, troll.

World's Funnest Mxy? Oh heck yes he is more powerful than the IG. Are you fukin kidding?

Oh, the irony. And sadly the irony is lost when pure patheity abounds. *sigh*

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mxy is more powerful than the IG....

whats the IGs dimension limit? 3D? 4D?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
oh? 🤨

whats the IGs dimension limit? 3D? 4D?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Read World's Funnest and you'll see.

depend if alternate realities count as seperate universe or not...iirc your the one who said they dont! 😉

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
the b/w one?

depend if alternate realities count as seperate universe or not...iirc your the one who said they dont! 😉

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mxy is more powerful than the IG....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, the only on-panel reference we have of the Infinity Being is Nemesis. And you really want me to try and extrapolate from her? Let's save the lulzfest for another time, k?

When did I ever say the IG couldn't send reverberations through the multiverse?

When did you start putting words into my mouth in a desperate ploy to suggest to others that you actually have a leg to stand on? Oops. From the start. Cute.

It does look ridiculous. I'd be insulted if I thought a single person here other than you sincerely believed that I was arguing that Odin > IG. Luckily that isn't the case, troll.

World's Funnest Mxy? Oh heck yes he is more powerful than the IG. Are you fukin kidding?

Oh, the irony. And sadly the irony is lost when pure patheity abounds. *sigh*

Your logic is doing it for you. I was mocking your logic in this thread with my examples. I have explained why i have time and time again and it still doesn't sink in.

Ig is more powerful than Mxy.

Oh please. Common sense is on my side not yours. You disregard on panel comparisons for feats. You disregard the power which the ig represented on panel throughout the ig storyline along with the infinity war arc in favor of a feat years later in which the un never attempted.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What does the date of the feats have to do with anything? Odin sent reverberations into the multiverse both before and after he got owned by the Celestials. And yes, when a new feat happens to pop up, you account for it. This is pure semantics and you've been engaging it long enough. The UN never tried to do anything exponentially greater than it already did. Are we going to speculate to ad infinitum what it could try to do because you won't accept what's actually been shown on-panel of the IG? The best thing the IG had a certain scope of power attributable to it: universal. It never achieved a feat, no matter what it was, that proved it's power could be measured beyond that. In fact, it's got a crapload of feats that shows its limits starkly. So where you get this ability to speculate exponentially above is beyond me. Now, the UN? It achieved a feat with a certain scope of power that is indisputably multiversal.

Beta Ray Bill can hammer strike a planet into pieces. Galactus can blow up several star systems in a single blast. One is exponentially more powerful than another. One being a hammer strike and another one being an omniblast doesn't prevent you from comparatively measuring their destructive power and concluding that one is exponentially more powerful.

Just the same as when comparing the IG taking over single universe while the UN instantly destroys/recreates the multiverse. You can measure the scope of power required to do both. At the very least, you can compare them. In this case, the distinction between taking over a universe and instantly destroying/recreating the multiverse is irrelevant because the obvious difference in power required is still plainly evident. One was an exponentially more powerful feat than the other.

Your efforts to somehow prevent this simple comparison from being made has reached ludicrous levels. Your bottom-line: instantly destroying/recreating multiverse is not greater than taking over a single universe. Which is just retarded by any measure. Coaching your denial in wordplay, semantics and negative fallacies doesn't infuse your denial with substance or turn simple comparative logic into a fallacy. The only result is an increasingly evident desperation whenever you attempt to justify your denial.

"Nuh uh!" doesn't suffice for an argument. IDLI, IDH doesn't outweigh on-panel proof. Just get over it. It happened. Blame Jeph Loeb for all I care.

Now who is putting words in peoples mouths? When did I say nuh uh or anything of the like. I love how you underline what you SAY my bottom line is when it said nothing ever close to that. Your the only way making claims that aren't backed up by on panel evidence.. You claim the IG is only universal and showed this on panel.. Sorry not even close to being true

1. First there was a very specific claim made that totally contradicts said statement... I am god of THIS universe and all unverseS. You like to throw away that line but sorry not going to happen. Blame starlin. Now it could mean that pwning "everything that is or ever will be" in 616 Eternity now means you have domain or other or all universes. Maybe. It could mean as I've pointed out that Thanos could just go to any other Universe and become God of that universe. Who knows but either make it clear its not just universal.

2. If I have an object that allows me to travel to various universes and take over eternity and pwn pretty much everybody. How is that just universal? its not. You can go to many many universes.

3. Pwning eternity with ease.. could very easily be a multiversal feat. You like to claim it wasn't this "multi" eternity while in the Abraxas arc it was. Problem is it was the same Eternity. Thus that alone could make it multiversal in power. You love to say ooo the abraxas arc dealth with the multiverse cause we saw multiple galactus's etc etc. Cool I agree. yet there was only ONE eternity the same Eternity by the bios as in the IG saga. Hmmmmm. To go further which illustrates your illogical thinking and requirements.. which amounts to having to see multiple reeds or galactus etc...lol. When Thanos had the heart... hmmmm no mention of univrseS.... no mention of merging two universes together... no multiple anything..ONE eternity AGAIN. No mention of multiverse ANYWHERE. Yet we know that power is multiversal because it pwd something greater than multiversal. Point is just because we don't see multipe anything doesn't mean an oject can't be multiversal in power.

4. It merged two universeS while standing in a total different unvierse. That is 3 universe at play in one feat... that alone also crushes your theory about it being just universal.

5. The gems came DIRECTLY form the IB. It didn't give the gems some of his power they WERE his power. The same IB greated the whole marvel omniverse. Yet your going to claim its all universal.

6. Your beloved UN got pwned by the IG with but a thought. It was that easy. They ever spelled it out for everybody. The word ultimate has little meaning in this encounter... the universe most destructive device was beaten with but a thought... with but a thought... That is how easy it was. Your beloved multiversal object got pwned with but a thought. hmmmmmm

You see all this stuff taken one by one might not prove anything... but all together it certainly paints a picture that it could very well have demonstrated or at this its reasonable to think it could be multiversal in power It at the very least is multi-universal at the very least. That was just one point of our discussion.

The other point is about how ONE feat in ONE area doesn't prove something is superior. Especially when we have a ONE v ONE encounter between the two. Just as all the examples I gave of real comic boook situations illustrates. One feat doesn't make someone or something superior. Especially especially if we have one v one encounters saying otherwise. No matter how much you wanna deflect my examples and call them sementics, word play doesn't change how they illustrate your fallacy and horrible examples. Ur making the claim something can't do something because it hasn't. U started the negative proof fallacy and just keep perpetuating it. You keep perpetuating that one feat in one area makes you superior. While I don't subscribe to that train of thought. My exampes directly contradict your premise on judging what is superior or not superior. Not only is your logic faulty in making such a determination but your application is as well. You want to disregard a direct encouter in favor of ONE high feat in ONE area and claim ooo yes its superior... sorry that isn't very logical. The colts just scored more points in a game than any team in history... must be the best team... only problem is they just lost the superbowl. Hmmm who do we crown the best team as... the one with the best feat or game.. or the one who wtfpwned the other. Seems simple to me. .

^ 1. That isn't a contradictory statement. It just illustrates that Thanos ruled over all the pocket universes, i.e., like one of those mentioned specifically in Infinity Gauntlet, the one contained in the Soul Gem. Or any of the myriad pocket universes, Microverse, Mojoverse, etc. Uh duh.

2. It's universal. Just like somebody going to each star and blowing it up is star-destroyer level and somebody going to a galaxy an one-shotting it is galaxy-busting. Sorry your desperation blinds you to this.

3. No. Pwning an Eternity that represented one universe is a universal feat. Just like Galactus performing surgery on the same Eternity was a universal feat. Multiverse was mentioned several times in Abraxas story-arc. Even specifically with regards to the UN's destructive capability. Read the damn story again and don't insult my intelligence or waste my time with such moronic statements.

4. So what? No, it doesn't. Me throwing one grenade and blowing up two boxes while standing on top of another box doesn't make my grenade capable of instantly destroying all boxes that exist. Give me a break.

5. Everything came from the Infinity Being. So what? Didn't help Loki penetrate Grandmaster's mind or help Thanos hurt Maelstrom or help Nebula do crap against Warlock.

6. Quiet, sock. Black Alice pwned Spectre and stole his powers and used em. Doesn't make Black Alice stronger than the Right Hand of God.

UN exponentially greater feat > IG's somewhat impressive feat notwithstanding. Get over it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. So now it can? Now the ig is multiversal??

Your logic is doing it for you. I was mocking your logic in this thread with my examples. I have explained why i have time and time again and it still doesn't sink in.

Ig is more powerful than Mxy.

Oh please. Common sense is on my side not yours. You disregard on panel comparisons for feats. You disregard the power which the ig represented on panel throughout the ig storyline along with the infinity war arc in favor of a feat years later in which the un never attempted.

Yea, funny thing about that. You're projecting a fallacy onto me, one which you wholly believe in... and you're suggesting that I'm ridiculous. You don't do the whole projection thing very well do you? Taking your idiotic arguments and putting them into my mouth and then making fun of me for your idiotic arguments isn't the best way to garner support for your arguments.

World's Funnest Mxy > 616 IG.

Watch the whole projecting thing ok? You haven't quite gotten it yet. Now you can't even write coherently. The "UN never attempted?" Oi vey. But we all know what you meant to say. To which this is an appropriate response: UN never attempted to erase the DC/Marvel/Image Multiverses 1000X in one instant. Guess that non-existent feat beats your IG's non-existent feat of never attempting to destroy/recreate the Marvel Multiverse. Thus, even by the all-powerful quanchilogic, UN > IG. Amazing. Simply, amazing. How do you do it?

well, lets not assume thanos used the ig to it's fullest, the dude had a mission and he was devoted to it, just as he used the un for the purpose he had for it in "the end". i guess the same can be said for the cosmic cube (soul gem) when he had that also.

thanos' motives =/= the power object's complete power.

Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ 1. That isn't a contradictory statement. It just illustrates that Thanos ruled over all the pocket universes, i.e., like one of those mentioned specifically in Infinity Gauntlet, the one contained in the Soul Gem. Or any of the myriad pocket universes, Microverse, Mojoverse, etc. Uh duh.

2. It's universal. Just like somebody going to each star and blowing it up is star-destroyer level and somebody going to a galaxy an one-shotting it is galaxy-busting. Sorry your desperation blinds you to this.

3. No. Pwning an Eternity that represented one universe is a universal feat. Just like Galactus performing surgery on the same Eternity was a universal feat. Multiverse was mentioned several times in Abraxas story-arc. Even specifically with regards to the UN's destructive capability. Read the damn story again and don't insult my intelligence or waste my time with such moronic statements.

4. So what? No, it doesn't. Me throwing one grenade and blowing up two boxes while standing on top of another box doesn't make my grenade capable of instantly destroying all boxes that exist. Give me a break.

5. Everything came from the Infinity Being. So what? Didn't help Loki penetrate Grandmaster's mind or help Thanos hurt Maelstrom or help Nebula do crap against Warlock.

6. Quiet, sock. Black Alice pwned Spectre and stole his powers and used em. Doesn't make Black Alice stronger than the Right Hand of God.

UN exponentially greater feat > IG's somewhat impressive feat notwithstanding. Get over it.
IG sending reverberations into multiverse doesn't make it multiversal. Anymore than Odin was multiversal. Anymore than two Thors smashing hammers together wasn't multiversal. Lulz. Was that a hint of excitement that I just completely and utterly dashed there?

Yea, funny thing about that. You're projecting a fallacy onto me, one which you wholly believe in... and you're suggesting that I'm ridiculous. You don't do the whole projection thing very well do you? Taking your idiotic arguments and putting them into my mouth and then making fun of me for your idiotic arguments isn't the best way to garner support for your arguments.

World's Funnest Mxy > 616 IG.

Watch the whole projecting thing ok? You haven't quite gotten it yet. Now you can't even write coherently. The "UN never attempted?" Oi vey. But we all know what you meant to say. To which this is an appropriate response: UN never attempted to erase the DC/Marvel/Image Multiverses 1000X in one instant. Guess that non-existent feat beats your IG's non-existent feat of never attempting to destroy/recreate the Marvel Multiverse. Thus, even by the all-powerful quanchilogic, UN > IG. Amazing. Simply, amazing. How do you do it?

That's more or less what you are arguing you just don't know it.
When I put your logic in sentence form outside the ig and un you distance yourself from your own logic time an d time again.

No, he most certainly does not. Ig>Mxy.

I meant the ig never attempted and considering how quickly I respond and the numerous responses back and forth I would think even you could figure out it was a typo.

The bottom line is we have an on panel comparison and common sense which makes us realize despite 8-9 years later the un didn't suddenly become more powerful than the ig. It was an impressive feat but doesn't change anything with these two items anyway.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ 1. That isn't a contradictory statement. It just illustrates that Thanos ruled over all the pocket universes, i.e., like one of those mentioned specifically in Infinity Gauntlet, the one contained in the Soul Gem. Or any of the myriad pocket universes, Microverse, Mojoverse, etc. Uh duh.

2. It's universal. Just like somebody going to each star and blowing it up is star-destroyer level and somebody going to a galaxy an one-shotting it is galaxy-busting. Sorry your desperation blinds you to this.

3. No. Pwning an Eternity that represented one universe is a universal feat. Just like Galactus performing surgery on the same Eternity was a universal feat. Multiverse was mentioned several times in Abraxas story-arc. Even specifically with regards to the UN's destructive capability. Read the damn story again and don't insult my intelligence or waste my time with such moronic statements.

4. So what? No, it doesn't. Me throwing one grenade and blowing up two boxes while standing on top of another box doesn't make my grenade capable of instantly destroying all boxes that exist. Give me a break.

5. Everything came from the Infinity Being. So what? Didn't help Loki penetrate Grandmaster's mind or help Thanos hurt Maelstrom or help Nebula do crap against Warlock.

6. Quiet, sock. Black Alice pwned Spectre and stole his powers and used em. Doesn't make Black Alice stronger than the Right Hand of God.

UN exponentially greater feat > IG's somewhat impressive feat notwithstanding. Get over it.
IG sending reverberations into multiverse doesn't make it multiversal. Anymore than Odin was multiversal. Anymore than two Thors smashing hammers together wasn't multiversal. Lulz. Was that a hint of excitement that I just completely and utterly dashed there?

Yea, funny thing about that. You're projecting a fallacy onto me, one which you wholly believe in... and you're suggesting that I'm ridiculous. You don't do the whole projection thing very well do you? Taking your idiotic arguments and putting them into my mouth and then making fun of me for your idiotic arguments isn't the best way to garner support for your arguments.

World's Funnest Mxy > 616 IG.

Watch the whole projecting thing ok? You haven't quite gotten it yet. Now you can't even write coherently. The "UN never attempted?" Oi vey. But we all know what you meant to say. To which this is an appropriate response: UN never attempted to erase the DC/Marvel/Image Multiverses 1000X in one instant. Guess that non-existent feat beats your IG's non-existent feat of never attempting to destroy/recreate the Marvel Multiverse. Thus, even by the all-powerful quanchilogic, UN > IG. Amazing. Simply, amazing. How do you do it?

I'm a sock now... LOL. Wow no need to engage further. Desperation has taken hold. I've proven my points and showed the faulty thinking in your argument. Others have seen it as well with the numerous same application examples I've given. Now I'm a sock. Concession accepted. Good day.

Actually, it's just you and Quan