Yeah, those people are idiots.
I did an interview with Marvel writer Fred van Lente, he told me that the President of Disney visited the offices of Marvel and reassured them all that nothing's going to change.
I'm gonna take that guy's word for it. You know? Works for the company, has met the guy etc. He isn't some Marvel vendetta-holder on a messageboard who is still sore that Jack Kirby doesn't work on Hulk.
Unless the Disney President does something to prove he is a liar, I literally have no reason on Earth to assume anything else, and neither do any other people.
-AC
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
So wait...,you have to send Marvel 50 comic book covers in exchange for 1?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No, it's 50 comic book covers of various Blackest Night tie ins to get a variant issue of Seige #3.
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I'd rather give them 50 copies of Siege# 3 for one DC comic book.
Wait...the penny may have dropped.
Do you people realise that this is not open to consumers? They're not asking readers to do it...it's retailers only. For every 50 issues you send back (From any selected DC titles), you get a Siege #3 Deadpool variant to sell in your store.
You DO realise that, right?
I know WickedDynamite didn't, simply because that would be a ridiculous deal. Sending away 50 copies of a series in which the first issue sold out and won't be getting a reprint, for a single issue of any DC comic. Terrible business.
Let's hope he never runs a store.
-AC
Honestly if they really cared for the retailers or for bettering their own business model they'd trade for 50 of their own books like say Dark Reign tie-ins to learn how many of their own books people didn't buy for future reference. I don't know if what their doing is perfectly legal though it probably is because they are actually doing it, but it strikes me as really underhanded and dirty. They are basically trying to limit the amount of the opposition's product that is able to be sold the comic book reader and that isn't a good thing. I think most people here will agree because comics are a small enough market already. We don't need the companies keeping it from selling more. I mean Deadpool variants?!! seriously???
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Honestly if they really cared for the retailers or for bettering their own business model they'd trade for 50 of their own books like say Dark Reign tie-ins to learn how many of their own books people didn't buy for future reference. I don't know if what their doing is perfectly legal though it probably is because they are actually doing it, but it strikes me as really underhanded and dirty. They are basically trying to limit the amount of the opposition's product that is able to be sold the comic book reader and that isn't a good thing. I think most people here will agree because comics are a small enough market already. We don't need the companies keeping it from selling more. I mean Deadpool variants?!! seriously???
No, do the damn research.
ALL of the titles that are eligible are titles with notoriously over-ordered stock that are not selling. Booster Gold sales have dropped dramatically.
It's no more underhanded than DC saying: "Buy these non-popular titles, you get rings with them. Boost our sales!".
This really isn't damaging DC at all, nor is it hurting their business.
More Deadpool variants? Do you have any idea how rare even the current Deadpool variants are? Hulk #14's Deadpool variant was 1 in 200.
-AC
DC's ring promotion was in no way an insult to the Marvel comics being produced that month.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWait...the penny may have dropped.
Do you people realise that this is not open to consumers? They're not asking readers to do it...it's retailers only. For every 50 issues you send back (From any selected DC titles), you get a Siege #3 Deadpool variant to sell in your store.
You DO realise that, right?
I know WickedDynamite didn't, simply because that would be a ridiculous deal. Sending away 50 copies of a series in which the first issue sold out and won't be getting a reprint, for a single issue of any DC comic. Terrible business.
Let's hope he never runs a store.
-AC [/B]
If Marvel were really that alturistic, they should have offered retailers the opportunity to return 50 of their own comics in exchange for the 1 variant issue, rather than ever so "honourably" retrieving comics from the Distinguished Competition.....
Originally Posted on Newsarama.com
"There is no way I'll participate," said Jason Pierce, owner of Alter Ego Comics in Muncie, Ind. "Even if I had these issue still in stock, it's $100 (my cost) worth of product for a single comic! I would have to sell that individual comic for $100 to just break even.""Either way is better than nothing, but asking to send back someone else's product seems to taint the gesture," explained John Robinson, co-owner of the Graham Crackers Comics chain of stores in Illinois. "I'd have loved it if Marvel had instead stood behind their own product, something along the lines of 'You can return all those Wolverine one-shots we cranked out before the movie that you had to gamble $4.99 a piece on.' Then they'd only be feeling all the love from the retailers instead of this mixed bag."
Dean Phillips, owner of Krypton Comics in Omaha, Neb., said he liked the fact that Marvel is trying a promotion, but not one this economically unfeasible. "Unless you are choking on unsold quantities of those books, it's just not worth it," he said. "Keep on coming up with inventive ways to promote, but do so in a way that helps the industry. Why attack others when you are in a position to help the entire market?"
How does that work?
DC artificially tried boosting their own sales, it worked. So...Marvel's best competitive move would be to take lots of their own issues off the shelves?
Not familiar with business, are you?
If DC did this, nobody would be saying shit. That's a fact. This thread wouldn't even exist, or if it did, people would be praising DC.
It's not going to hurt DC at all.
Additionally, I love how all the retailers are saying shit NOW, but they'll have Free Comic Day. Free Comic Day isn't "free" for retailers; they have to pay shipping and ordering etc. They'll shell out all that cash for people to just take the comics, but they won't do this?
The funny thing is, lots of retailers ARE doing it. You're only hearing the ones that are expressing confusion or concern. Regardless, nobody's holding a gun to their heads. Nobody has to do this.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How does that work?DC artificially tried boosting their own sales, it worked. So...Marvel's best competitive move would be to take lots of their own issues off the shelves?
Not familiar with business, are you?
I never claimed to be familliar with business. However I think it's pretty pathetic of Marvel to try and look good in front of the public by ONLY taking DC's stuff. Like I said, if Marvel were genuinely concerned about the retailers then they'd accept their own comics. But they don't want any of their own products effectively remaining unsold, just DC's.
I understand they have to make money. Doesn't mean it isn't low of them. By comparison, DC didn't do this by promoting their own product with the ring offer.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If DC did this, nobody would be saying shit. That's a fact. This thread wouldn't even exist, or if it did, people would be praising DC.It's not going to hurt DC at all.
Rubbish. I'm more of a Marvel Zombie than I've ever been. I still think Marvel looks pretty bad by doing this.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Additionally, I love how all the retailers are saying shit NOW, but they'll have Free Comic Day. Free Comic Day isn't "free" for retailers; they have to pay shipping and ordering etc. They'll shell out all that cash for people to just take the comics, but they won't do this?The funny thing is, lots of retailers ARE doing it. You're only hearing the ones that are expressing confusion or concern. Regardless, nobody's holding a gun to their heads. Nobody has to do this.
-AC
Maybe the retailers don't complain about Free Comic Book Day because the publicity ultimately benefits them. Free Comic Book Day is probably one of the best days of the year in terms of sales!
I'm sure many of the large comic book businesses can afford to do it. Whether they see 50 older products being worth the same value on the shelf as 1 rare product is another matter. The smaller retailers however probably don't benefit from this deal anywhere near as much. They are much more likely to accumulate a $100 dollars from many people buying older issues of DC, than 1 person buying 1 $100 variant comic. If they weren't, then there wouldn't be any controversy.
Either way, it doesn't make Marvel look that good at all.
Most retailers aren't going to do it, primarily because Blackest Night sells mass amounts, and trading 50 issues for one issue, you'd have to sell that variant for like 150 just to break even.
I don't know about you guys, but if I see a 2010 issue hanging on a wall for 150+, I don't even consider buying it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Most retailers aren't going to do it, primarily because Blackest Night sells mass amounts, and trading 50 issues for one issue, you'd have to sell that variant for like 150 just to break even.
I don't know about you guys, but if I see a 2010 issue hanging on a wall for 150+, I don't even consider buying it.
Originally posted by willRules
I never claimed to be familliar with business. However I think it's pretty pathetic of Marvel to try and look good in front of the public by ONLY taking DC's stuff. Like I said, if Marvel were genuinely concerned about the retailers then they'd accept their own comics. But they don't want any of their own products effectively remaining unsold, just DC's.
They're more concerned with the competition, and DC is the competition. It's not illegal, and if you wanna see it as underhanded, fine.
People just need to stop acting like it's the holocaust.
Originally posted by willRules
I understand they have to make money. Doesn't mean it isn't low of them. By comparison, DC didn't do this by promoting their own product with the ring offer.
It's called getting ONE UP on your competition. Why do something DC already did?
In a street fight, a man will get dissed for fighting dirty or whatever. Who makes these rules up? In a fight, the object is to win. In a war, the object is to win. If it's not breaking the law, and the object is STILL to win, then Marvel have every right.
Originally posted by willRules
Rubbish. I'm more of a Marvel Zombie than I've ever been. I still think Marvel looks pretty bad by doing this.
Ok, that was an exaggeration, but you know for a fact there's a high amount of anti-Marvel stigma here.
Originally posted by willRules
Maybe the retailers don't complain about Free Comic Book Day because the publicity ultimately benefits them. Free Comic Book Day is probably one of the best days of the year in terms of sales!
It's a massive gamble, every year.
Originally posted by willRules
I'm sure many of the large comic book businesses can afford to do it. Whether they see 50 older products being worth the same value on the shelf as 1 rare product is another matter. The smaller retailers however probably don't benefit from this deal anywhere near as much. They are much more likely to accumulate a $100 dollars from many people buying older issues of DC, than 1 person buying 1 $100 variant comic. If they weren't, then there wouldn't be any controversy.Either way, it doesn't make Marvel look that good at all.
It doesn't need to make Marvel look good. It's business. It's not necessarily making them look bad either. It literally hurts NOBODY. Fact.
Also, if I'm watching a fight in the street and some dude kicks another dude in the balls, I'd be like: "Dirty move". Does he give a shit? No. Should he? No.
Originally posted by Juntai
Most retailers aren't going to do it, primarily because Blackest Night sells mass amounts, and trading 50 issues for one issue, you'd have to sell that variant for like 150 just to break even.
It's not for 50 issues of Blackest Night. It's 50 issues of any of the eligible titles.
-AC
Originally posted by willRules
I never claimed to be familliar with business. However I think it's pretty pathetic of Marvel to try and look good in front of the public by ONLY taking DC's stuff. Like I said, if Marvel were genuinely concerned about the retailers then they'd accept their own comics. But they don't want any of their own products effectively remaining unsold, just DC's.I understand they have to make money. Doesn't mean it isn't low of them. By comparison, DC didn't do this by promoting their own product with the ring offer.
Rubbish. I'm more of a Marvel Zombie than I've ever been. I still think Marvel looks pretty bad by doing this.
Thats exactly how I feel. I'm all up for competition but blatantly going after another publisher its just dirty.
I wonder what Marvel is planning to do with all them comics? Anybody knows if something like this has happened in the past?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Thats exactly how I feel. I'm all up for competition but blatantly going after another publisher its just dirty.I wonder what Marvel is planning to do with all them comics? Anybody knows if something like this has happened in the past?
Competitions have rules.
If it's not breaking them, it's hardly dirty.
-AC