Classic Unstoppable Juggernaut vs Odin-Force Thor

I did want to say something about Cain. I think Cain tends to be a victim of his humanity. The problem with the Juggernaut is he still views and interacts with the world like a human being. That's why there are times when Nightcrawler can throw a torch into his face and he'll scream in pain even though he wasn't effected by the attack at all. But in another issue deadpool can pour molten steel on him and Cain won't even register it.

Its why Cain will go to sleep and dream even though he doesn't need sleep at all. His mentality is human but it's when he starts acting like a conduit of raw magical energy that that grants him the power of an extra dimensional god that he goes to that upper level that makes him one of the baddest most powerful characters around.

As always I think the level of power, strength, and invulnerability Cain shows is directly proportional to how focused he is which strengthens his connection to Cyttorak and the Crimson Cosmos.

Originally posted by Newjak
I did want to say something about Cain. I think Cain tends to be a victim of his humanity. The problem with the Juggernaut is he still views and interacts with the world like a human being. That's why there are times when Nightcrawler can throw a torch into his face and he'll scream in pain even though he wasn't effected by the attack at all. But in another issue deadpool can pour molten steel on him and Cain won't even register it.

Its why Cain will go to sleep and dream even though he doesn't need sleep at all. His mentality is human but it's when he starts acting like a conduit of raw magical energy that that grants him the power of an extra dimensional god that he goes to that upper level that makes him one of the baddest most powerful characters around.

As always I think the level of power, strength, and invulnerability Cain shows is directly proportional to how focused he is which strengthens his connection to Cyttorak and the Crimson Cosmos.

This. This, this, this. I view most of the noises Cain makes are just human reaction to things, not necessarily him being hurt. When Prof. Hulk punched him in the gut, he wasn't hurt. That was just air escaping his lungs due to him not being ready for the punch and then the air being force out. It's kind of like a person throwing a fake punch at another and the 2nd guy makes a "hmph" sound preparing for the punch when his muscles tense up causing a little air to escape. But he is not actually hit nor is he hurt.

The sound effects on panel when Cain gets hit are there to add to the fight. Not to show damage per-say, but to let the reader know a hit has happened.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor wins this, though a lot of people scream "PIS" about that Juggernaut fight.

How wasn't it PIS? It has never ever been shown to be able to happen again. Even when Thor and Juggs have met after that fact. Seems if he could do it so easily he would do it evertime. Or how about tha was one writer WRONG take on his shield and invulnerability?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How wasn't it PIS? It has never ever been shown to be able to happen again. Even when Thor and Juggs have met after that fact. Seems if he could do it so easily he would do it evertime. Or how about tha was one writer WRONG take on his shield and invulnerability?

Why doesn't Flash speedbiltz everyone, why doesn't Sersi turn everyone into a pig, why doesn't Prof X or MM shutdown everyone's mind, why doesn't Magneto rip the iron out everyone's blood?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why doesn't Flash speedbiltz everyone, why doesn't Sersi turn everyone into a pig, why doesn't Prof X or MM shutdown everyone's mind, why doesn't Magneto rip the iron out everyone's blood?

Because they tend to have other ways of beating their opponent, Thor can't beat Juggernaut any other way?

Do you wanna know why your examples are piss poor silent? Because these are ESTABLISHED powers that we've seen them display numerous times. We know magneto could do that as we've seen him do such things countless times. Same with IMP's same with X's mind rape. However, Deflaco was the ONLY writer EVER to shown someone being able to override his shield/invulnerability in such a manner. Not before, or since, has this been shown or duplicated or even the source of his invulnerability. Huge huge differences but thanks for playing as always Silent.

And Mjolnir has the established ability to be a swiss-army knife, IE can do just about anything.

That is the best you could do. Thanks for playing again silent.

Mjolnir has been doing it for decades, why should I ignore it's history. Why would blocking energy be beyond it's ability when we've seen it effect energy and create shields?

you're NOT understanding the concept silent. Juggs invulnerablity has never been solely tied to FF. In pretty much all of Juggs showings.. his invulnerability has NOTHING to do with his forcefield. Thus one writers take on his invulnerability, that no other writer before or after has used, means it was one's writers BAD take.. NOT this is a fact of how to get around it. If most writer don't writer juggs that way we go with the vast clear majority of it not being tied to his FF.. not one writers take. Can't be anymore clear than that. To say nothing of the fact, that again, even bypassing it the way Thor did has never been duplicated by ANYBODY ever again. He's fought mystical powers before.. even his boss and it wasn't done in such ways. To say nothing of Thor never ever doing it again. So you expect me to believe Thor could do it with Mjolnir but Cyttorak can't even bypass his own powers... :facepalm:

All he did was basically create a shield/vortex that stopped mystical energy from reaching Juggs. Well, creating shields is well within his ability.

You still don't get it... Let me ask you this... So you feel like people should go with one writer's take on Juggs invulnerability that has NEVER EVER been shown before or after. With other writers having the vastly more consistent showings of it having nothing to do with his forcefield. That seems to be your stance Silent and I'm not surprised by the piss poor stance that most don't agree with. So you go with take that is in the clear minority?

I bet you also feel like Thor can't fly without Mjolnir and he can be pierced and put down by mere bullets then? Cool, works for me lol

When has anyone else even tried blocking his connection?

Thor can be put down by bullets.. nice.

Except, Thor has far more examples of not being put down when shot.

Does Juggernaut have examples where people have been unable to block him receiving mystical energy?

Originally posted by Newjak
Hulk has never hurt Cain unless he was using Celestial Technology.

that punch in the gut from an angry hulk hurt him, and that was a few issues after juggernaut jumped hulk in the forest in plain clothes.

That punch didn't hurt him, it is just a human reaction and noise to the air being forced out of his lungs. He still feels the need to breathe despite not actually needing the air.

Originally posted by Newjak
In the 8th Day Saga Cain showed no signs of Thor's attacks having any effect on him.

I think Cain started feeling it:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut8.jpg

Originally posted by Newjak
And my account still stands Thor has never hurt Cain without having to effect Cain's enchantment.

Not severely, no. I'd argue that anyone on par with Thor or higher, can hurt Juggernaut physically.

Originally posted by Newjak
Are you talking about Proff. Hulk? The one where he sucker punched Cain and took him to a knee and Cain was getting right back up showing no ill signs from the attack.

Juggernaut was clearly affected by Hulk's blows here:

I guess he was winded to an extent but to argue he wasn't hurt is something I disagree with. It makes sense as PAD from what I can tell also believes that Cain isn't invulnerable to higher end forces.

I see that logic a lot with Cain to explain away showings. Just because a character isn't bleeding, doesn't mean aforementioned character isn't hurt.

Originally posted by Newjak
WWH Hulk only hurt Cain after he had just went through the portal and was still not at full power.

I'm talking about this scene:

Hulk's blow clearly affected Cain.

Originally posted by Newjak
And I used Onslaught because he was a character you mentioned, but yes the Beast was also very awkward.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Newjak
And there has been times Cain ahs faced High Heralds or Higher without resorting to his Forcefield so there hasn't always been a precedent for it. The main one that comes to mind is Nightmare who fought to a standstale without using his FF.

The latest example I can think of is his first fight with the Hulk (Early 70's I believe). Since then, his fought Thor, Merged Hulk, Onslaught, War Hulk, Captain Universe, and he clearly wasn't invulnerable then. It's been a while since I read the Doctor Strange series. Not sure how Nightmare was portrayed in that. IIRC it was #182 which was like in the late 60's.

Regarding the fight: If Juggernaut doesn't use his force field, Thor beats him down. If Cain does use his force field, Thor will simply remove it, and then beat him down.

If you think Cain's invulnerability isn't depended on his force field (At this point, I heavily disagree with this stance unless I'm forgetting something), Thor still removes his invulnerability.

Thor from #600 was beyond Cain.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That punch didn't hurt him, it is just a human reaction and noise to the air being forced out of his lungs. He still feels the need to breathe despite not actually needing the air.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he also apparently feels the need to go on all fours after getting hit, and he seems to be holding his belly in the last panel.

When you get knocked down do you levitate up or something? His other arm could just be blocked by his massive body also.

As for Thor beating Juggernaut without his shield, Cain still has his healing factor which has been touched on more-so after that Thor fight. He is not going down to Thor's punches, shield or no shield.

If you still think he does, Cain brings a gun to the fight and shoots Thor. 😖hifty: