Annihilation Wave takes on Blackest Night

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Did Phantom Stranger do anything?

Plus, it seems Nekron is way above Spectre and we all know how powerful he can GET.

The Phantom Stranger knew the secret from the beginnings. However, his position in the universe doesn't allow him to intervene directly, just guide somebody. In this case, he had to guide dead man to find the secret to help Hal

Yes he does. You're trying to claim that he's greater than Mistress Death because he's God's opposite, implying that he's God's equal. He was beaten by the Guardains and he ain't God so I don't see how you could say he's more powerful than Death itself.

New Nekron was imprisoned by the Guardians; you do see the chains around his neck right? He ain't as powerful as the Presence which you guys are trying to pass it off as

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Celestials and Elder Gods are in this now? Doesn't matter, Nekron could probably one-shot them. But let's wait and see on how powerful he truly is.

How is Nekron going to one-shot celestials? Even Thanos with IG couldn't

Maybe because Thanos is not as all power as you claim him too be 😛

Seriously though, Spectre will solve it. If not, a Black Ring might do it 😂

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Celestials and Elder Gods are in this now? Doesn't matter, Nekron could probably one-shot them. But let's wait and see on how powerful he truly is.

Of course... The Annhiliation waves were forces of nature, Gods had no right to get involved unless immediately threatened. Secret invasion on the other hand, Earth Gods fought for their lives.

But this a threat to everyone including all Marvel Universe Gods!
Lucifer Eternity Dormammu ect

"Herald... My Rage!"

Pow. No more Black Lantern.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Of course... The Annhiliation waves were forces of nature, Gods had no right to get involved unless immediately threatened. Secret invasion on the other hand, Earth Gods fought for their lives.

But this a threat to everyone including all Marvel Universe Gods!
Lucifer Eternity Dormammu ect

Celestials were in AW?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
PLEASE post the scans of the guardians beating him and their methods, I'd love to see it.

No such scans exist.

In Nekron's original showing, he WAS a manifestation/representation of Death, just as Mistress Death is in Marvel, or Death of the Endless is (I'll get back to that). In the original arc, the death of a Guardian lead to small portal opening between the physical universe and Nekron's realm of death. Nekron decided he wanted to go through that portal, to explore a new, living realm. Problem 1 - to do that, he needed to kill more Guardians. The inherent contradiction of an immortal dying was the only way for the portal to open further. Problem 2 - As the portal opened and Nekron came closer and closer to stepping into the physical universe, the universe was being destroyed. It was re-compressing down to the primal atom from which it had burst forth during the big bang. Had he fully manifested in the physical universe, the universe would have been no more.

Basically, he empowers Krona (the rogue Oan, not Guardian..the difference is important when talking about power level) with insane levels of power (he's killing Guardians left and right) and with an army of demons to do his work for him.

Eventually the GL Corps confronts them, goes to the portal, Hal Jordan dives into the realm of death and inspires all the dead GL's from the past in Nekron's realm to rise up and rebel. The rebellion surprises and weakens Nekron -- who Jordan says can never be truly defeated -- and allows the Guardians to gang up and defeat Krona, then close up the portal.

And that is how that gets solved. Later he tends to get watered down, but the excuse that he's never 'fully manifested' can be used. And then now we see that Geoff Johns is retconning his origin a bit.

Previous to the retcon, a Captain Atom issue clarified that the Black Racer, Endless's Death and Nekron each represent one facet of death (BR represents death as an inevitability, Gaiman's Death is death as a release/compassion, Nekron is death as the eternal enemy of mankind). This, reportedly, greatly upset Gaiman who had always conceived his death to encompass ALL facets, aspects and implicit qualities of death. As such, it has never been mentioned again, to my knowledge.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Mistress Death would'nt allow Necron to take souls especially on account that she and Thanos hook up in Annhiliation. Especially once the Celestrials and the Elder Gods get involved. Necrons forces would look like a cancer they would have to cut off. Didnt Galactis just blast heaps of the wave?

Nekron doesnt take the souls. He just takes control of the bodies.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Celestials were in AW?

No as I said, Gods didnt interfere with the AWs because its the natural flow of life. In Secret invasion Earth Gods had to fight for there lives.
But if Necron arrived to destroy everything! Yeah then they would get involved.

Thanks for the info, Desaad. Fully manifested Nekron should crush AW on his own.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

New Nekron was imprisoned by the Guardians; you do see the chains around his neck right? He ain't as powerful as the Presence which you guys are trying to pass it off as.

I think the chains are supposed to be the work of the Presence/Original Light.

Originally posted by the ninjak
No as I said, Gods didnt interfere with the AWs because its the natural flow of life. In Secret invasion Earth Gods had to fight for there lives.
But if Necron arrived to destroy everything! Yeah then they would get involved.

True enough, but the original thread isn't "Black Lantersn invade the MU"...it's just "every character in Annihilation" vs 'every character in Blackest Night'

Originally posted by Prep-Man
HOW was he imprisoned by the Guardians, because even OLD school Nekron defeated the Guardians, Pre-crisis and even scared the crap out them.

Old school or new school, Nekron isn't the Presence. When has the GEB, the Presence, or TOAA been beaten by anybody like Nekron has been?

Was this ever explained? And also, New Nekron has feats that put him above old Nekron. I'm just explaining what Geoff Johns has said in an interview.

I am as well. He says Nekron is the opposite of God but was chained by the Guardians. Nekron was chained by the Guardians. When as any truly supreme being of either companies been chained?

His feat so far has been imprisoning a dying SC Anti-Monitor and beating a bunch of skyfather level characters. That doesn't put him above Mistress Death.

Wait for issue 7 and 8, he even stated that both Black Hand and Nekron will have some major scenes.

Yes, we will see.

He also killed a bunch of Guardians and is a representation of Death, like Desaad is saying.

What if Death don't allow her partners to die? 😉

Nekron could do the same. If we're using fully powered Nekron.

To be clear, HE didn't kill the Guardians. A being empowered with a small bit of his own power did. His Silver Surfer, so to speak. Krona at those levels also took a blast composed of the energy from 1/3rd of the entire GL Corps and didn't even fall down. He was a beeaasstt. (previous to this Krona was disembodied and had no power of his own, only capable of taking control of bodies).

And again, I don't know where this idea came from that the Guardians imprisoned Nekron came from. It could get revealed later on, but the obvious implication from the original stories (where he had the shackles around only his wrists, I believe) was that he had been imprisoned by the Presence/God/Whatever.

Essentially, this is the Annihilation Wave vs. DC Earth, the entire emotional electromagnetic spectrum, and lord knows what else.

So, Guardians imprisoning Nekron is debunked?

Blackest Night FTW due to lack of setting.