God and the Big Bang

Originally posted by magicturtle
well how does God, fit in with the Big Bang?

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My own little theory is that God Caused, the Big Bang.
Post whatever but please base what your saying if its factual, on some sort of FACT

Some say God spoke the universe into existence and the Big Bang was how He did it. (whatever sound occured was His voice and words, and any explosions/creations were done by the will of what He was saying).

I say the main thing God and the Big Bang share is that they're both regarded as theories.

God isn't a theory, in the scientific sense of the word.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Well, then, I leave the burden of proof too you. Educate us. What valid scientific evidence do we have? No theories please, theories are of little use in this sort of thing, as anything can be a "theory of great scientific importance".

I know the story of the big bang. Give me the evidence.

No theories?

Ok, guess what. There is no gravity, plate tectonics, relativity, or any other kind of theory.

Because apparently like so many others I have argued with on this, you attempt to change the definition of what a scientific theory is.

And of course the most obvious example is the ever expanding universe. Considering I'm not a physicist, I can't explain to you in minute mathematical detail as to why the Big Bang most likely happened. However, its certainly a better and more sound explanation that to say that god was the first cause and made everything happen with a snap of his fingertips.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Well, then, I leave the burden of proof too you. Educate us. What valid scientific evidence do we have? No theories please, theories are of little use in this sort of thing, as anything can be a "theory of great scientific importance".

I know the story of the big bang. Give me the evidence.

http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/proj/basic/universe/

Check it out

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The expanding universe.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
even scientist said in the big there was a force far greater than gravity ,matter ,energy,speed of light etc that split up into those things. at least thats what ive been told.

Yes, and you could call that force God. However, that is NOT the god described in the bible.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, and you could call that force God. However, that is NOT the god described in the bible.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

- Genesis 1:1

Implicitely, the Big Bang is how that creation happened, or was done.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

- Genesis 1:1

Implicitely, the Big Bang is how that creation happened, or was done.

But that force still isn't the Biblical God because he then goes on to do various things where as that original force split into the strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravitational forces.

Originally posted by Digi
...which is to be expected, given its length.

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In response to the thread starter:

The Christian god (and most gods, for that matter) is not one who simply created the big bang and then stepped away. He has, and allegedly still does, interact with His creation frequently (and "mysteriously" if we're to believe half the semi-spiritual theists on the planet). As such, the utter lack of evidence for such interaction, and the utter lack of evidence of anything other than strict physical determinism, is damning to such a religion.

Thats not really damning at all. The problem is whats your defintion of God. It makes perfect sense for gods to exist and to interact with humans eventhough theres no proof.

Originally posted by Digi

To say, however, that one believes in some creative force (god or otherwise) creating the big bang and then stepping back, like you seem to do in the first post, is at least more intellectually tenable. Not because it has any more evidence than an interactive deity, but because the lack of evidence is not damning to this position. However, it represents a sort of theistic retreat, because such a deity or creative force would require nothing of us, as modern religions do, and therefore has no bearing on our lives or philosophies about the universe.

I don't see how thats more intellectually tenable.

Originally posted by Deadline
...It makes perfect sense for gods to exist and to interact with humans eventhough theres no proof.

Just like it makes perfect sense for unicorns to exist with no evidence for their existence. 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Just like it makes perfect sense for unicorns to exist with no evidence for their existence. 🙄

More like ghosts, actually. Gods come with a built in power to never be noticed if they don't want to.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Just like it makes perfect sense for unicorns to exist with no evidence for their existence. 🙄

No nothing like that at all. How does an ant perceieve a human being? Does it percieve a human as a lifeform or a natural phenemonon. Don't humans affect and control what happens to insects and bacteria.

So you're saying that its illogical for there to be more powerful intelligent beings than us? Looking at nature it makes perfect sense for gods to exist.

Originally posted by Deadline
No nothing like that at all. How does an ant perceieve a human being? Does it percieve a human as a lifeform or a natural phenemonon. Don't humans affect and control what happens to insects and bacteria.

So you're saying that its illogical for there to be more powerful intelligent beings than us? Looking at nature it makes perfect sense for gods to exist.

I am saying that it is illogical to believe a god could interact with humans and not leave any evidence.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But that force still isn't the Biblical God because he then goes on to do various things where as that original force split into the strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravitational forces.

Creation = Big Bang

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Creation = Big Bang

Not necessarily. It really only represents a change.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am saying that it is illogical to believe a god could interact with humans and not leave any evidence.

😈

He sharted.

The end.

Originally posted by Mindship
What would be good evidence? If a being claiming to be God appeared and did something biblical-like (eg, part the Indian Ocean), would that do it?

😈

There should be signs that the Indian Ocean had been parted.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There should be signs that the Indian Ocean had been parted.

Why? What would you even look for?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why? What would you even look for?

Moment of soil. Would be my first guess.